AHC: A different name for the D.C NFL Team.

I suspect our new stadium will be in VA for this reason -- Mayor Bowser has too many white yuppie transplants to appease

Don't forget the black residents of this city who hate the team thanks to their undying (and legitimately earned) reputation as the most racist team in all of football. Did you forget about them? It feels like maybe you forgot about them. You know, the Cowboys fans? If anything I feel like the decades of criticism have inured the team against reasonable action. So maybe we need old Mr. Marshall to kick off earlier or have a Scrooge-like visitation to turn things around. Otherwise the rot is just gonna set in.

As for Bowser, she's just about the most pro-stadium deal politician in the city. Not sure where you're getting your info, or if you just took a look and made a judgment call.

As for Abe Pollin, I really am just horrified by your statement and angry that you've put me in the position of defending the crappy new name. Low blow, man.

Finally, I don't care how pissed the cult gets, red pandas are the best, and for the first time in my life living in this area, I would throw down cash for that jersey. Not everything is about pissing off the brotherhood.
 
Don't forget the black residents of this city who hate the team thanks to their undying (and legitimately earned) reputation as the most racist team in all of football. Did you forget about them? It feels like maybe you forgot about them. You know, the Cowboys fans? If anything I feel like the decades of criticism have inured the team against reasonable action.

I didn't forget about them. They are a) more likely to vote for Vince Gray, b) are being unfairly pushed into PG and c) are Cowboys fans and may not be invested either way.

Also, some of them are probably just 90s bandwagoners; the older people who rooted for Dallas to spite that racist sonofabitch George Marshall are cool though.

And yeah, we are unquestionably the most racist team in football history. Forced to integrate, moved here and became the Skins specifically to appeal to Deep South racists, continuing the racist name, the cynical appeal to native groups, the old fight song lyrics, etc...

As for Bowser, she's just about the most pro-stadium deal politician in the city. Not sure where you're getting your info, or if you just took a look and made a judgment call.

She seems relatively the most pro-stadium, but only in comparison to the various groups that are very much anti-stadium. I don't see her letting the team back in with their current name, either for political or personal reasons.

If she does, she's more pro-team than I thought for sure.

As for Abe Pollin, I really am just horrified by your statement and angry that you've put me in the position of defending the crappy new name. Low blow, man.

As I said, it was a #hottaek. I just think the sainting of the man based on this supposed change-of-heart about the name is a bit hollow given the decades of gun crime that took place before the change... and that had ended, by and large, by the time Rabin died.

Just seems rather obtuse to me.

Finally, I don't care how pissed the cult gets, red pandas are the best, and for the first time in my life living in this area, I would throw down cash for that jersey. Not everything is about pissing off the brotherhood.

Don't know what you mean by cult or brotherhood. I don't want a red-based name because that immediately calls to mind the Redskins, and therefore the redface and tomfoolery that we are trying to end by changing the name.

Red pandas are cool I guess, but they are not team-name fodder. Also, crucially, too many syllables. We ain't giving up a fight song we had to sue Dallas to keep the rights to.
 
Dan Snyder is hardcore against changing the same.

But let's turn the question around and say a different owner, perhaps 'Denny' Snyder, wants to change the name. But he realizes he can't run too far ahead of his fan base. That as a leader, he can't run too far ahead of the people he's leading.

Maybe he's somewhat low-key and understated with what he believes, but he doesn't really need to hide things.

Okay, so what are some of the things 'Denny' Snyder does early in the process?
 
If you want a name with real history behind it, what about the Washington Flames?:p The DC Runners?:p The Washington Skeedaddle?:p
 
Dan Snyder is hardcore against changing the same.

But let's turn the question around and say a different owner, perhaps 'Denny' Snyder, wants to change the name. But he realizes he can't run too far ahead of his fan base. That as a leader, he can't run too far ahead of the people he's leading.

Maybe he's somewhat low-key and understated with what he believes, but he doesn't really need to hide things.

Okay, so what are some of the things 'Denny' Snyder does early in the process?

maybe trully ask for a name change? if people did hated that much and later contest about what to do? removed all indian indentity all together or readapted it?(like kansas city one?) maybe Washington Natives(double pun) or some indian tribe give his lease? or just a new name, maybe more culture neutral like an animal name?
 
I didn't forget about them. They are a) more likely to vote for Vince Gray, b) are being unfairly pushed into PG and c) are Cowboys fans and may not be invested either way.

Also, some of them are probably just 90s bandwagoners; the older people who rooted for Dallas to spite that racist sonofabitch George Marshall are cool though.

And yeah, we are unquestionably the most racist team in football history. Forced to integrate, moved here and became the Skins specifically to appeal to Deep South racists, continuing the racist name, the cynical appeal to native groups, the old fight song lyrics, etc...



She seems relatively the most pro-stadium, but only in comparison to the various groups that are very much anti-stadium. I don't see her letting the team back in with their current name, either for political or personal reasons.

If she does, she's more pro-team than I thought for sure.



As I said, it was a #hottaek. I just think the sainting of the man based on this supposed change-of-heart about the name is a bit hollow given the decades of gun crime that took place before the change... and that had ended, by and large, by the time Rabin died.

Just seems rather obtuse to me.

a) Yeah, by like what, 50% to 40%? That's a win for sure, but not exactly enough to claim Bowser doesn't have a base of support in the black community.

b) You realize if I respond to this it's completely out of bounds of the forum, right? So either you're hoping I'll respond and get kicked, hot under the collar yourself, or just not aware that this isn't the right forum.

c) You don't think DC residents who hate the local team should have a say? I'm not even talking about apathetic people who just don't want money to go to a stadium, I'm talking people who viscerally hate the team to the point that they would root for Dallas- DALLAS! You may not like it, but they have an interest. And bandwagon doesn't seem the right term based (I'll admit) on the local Dallas fans I know. It's their own family tradition now.

If Bowser could get the team in without a political fight on the name, she'd do it. No politician wants that noise. Your questioning of the motives of those who want the change is, frankly, nobody's concern but your own. But you are stereotyping people, and you seem have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with football (or has been sublimated into football).

As for the hottaek thing, this is my first experience with it and I gotta say it just seems like an attempt to say something controversial without getting into trouble for it.
 
The Washington Silver Dollars. After George Washington's throwing a silver dollar across the Potomac. BTW, for those who scoff, sure I very seriously doubt that ever happened. A silver dollar was a LOT of $$$ in those days, plus it would have been pence before the ARW. BUT, you CAN very easily throw a coin across the Potomac successfully. Depending on the time of year, the weather, the level of the river, and just WHERE at the river you are doing the toss. I've been at points on the Potomac where you could throw a frisbee across!

"The Silver Dollars' QB is firing those passes like they were George's Own!":cool:
 
Actually, how about this: we call the football team the Washington Bullets. Everybody's happy. Of course we still need a new name for the basketball team, but I've got that covered, too.

My real go-to name for a fictional DC sports team has always been The Washington Dukes.

1) Duke Ellington, native son
2) Unique chance to have the country's best stadium music
3) Kind of funny/ironic having an aristocratic name in the seat of democracy
 
It'd be hilarious to have the Bullets back... as the football team. Wonder how people would react.

And yeah, I was fairly hot-under-the-collar last night, my apologies. The Redskins are probably the one non-familial thing in life I care about to any great extent.
 
It'd be hilarious to have the Bullets back... as the football team. Wonder how people would react.

And yeah, I was fairly hot-under-the-collar last night, my apologies. The Redskins are probably the one non-familial thing in life I care about to any great extent.

Enjoy the postseason!
 
Enjoy the postseason!

I'll try (I'm one of those really pessimistic fans -- probably going to need to liquor myself up for calmness on Sunday after what happened in 2012)!

Given what we were projected to do, I don't think anyone, other than RGIII homers, would be displeased with the outcome
 
Let's say new owner 'Denny' Snyder is giving his first talk to the media.

He talks about what it meant as a fan when Washington won their first Superbowl on January 30th, 1983.

He talks about how you never know when you're going to get on a roll late in the season and peak at just the right time. Maybe some general managers try to underplay games late in the season for the sake of draft choices, but they won't be working for this organization.

And then a reporter asks about the team's name.

'Denny' says, it's a tough issue. We certainly do not mean to offend anyone. In fact, we kind of mean to draw upon the strengths of Native American Indians and all their best qualities. And the name is just a nickname. But then I get a letter from ______ tribal council. It causes me to think about it. Of course it does. It should cause all of us to think about it.

And that gets the ball rolling.
 
Washington D.C. Lobbyists:p

But seriously: I think that the name Amerindians would be good name. It still celebrates the Indian heritage and sounds badass.
 
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