The Tudor Dynasty has to continue to the modern day with a POD after 1553. How would this come about? Discuss!
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A few other scenarios to add to the list:Emperor Constantine said:1. Arthur, Prince of Wales survives and has children with Catherine of Aragon.
2. Arthur, Prince of Wales leaved Cathrine of Aragon pregnant with a son.
3. One of the Son's of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon.
4. Anne Boleyn has a son
5. Henry VIII has a second son with : Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard, or Catherine Parr ( to succeed Edward VI)
6. Edward VI lives and has children.
Technically, these two scenarios would actually put an end to the Tudor dynasty after the death of either Mary or Elizabeth. The children of a queen were generally of her husband's family: think, for example, how the children of Victoria (who was from the House of Hannover) became members of the House of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha (Albert's family). Thus, while Mary or Elizabeth's children would definitely have Tudor blood, they wouldn't be Tudors.Emperor Constantine said:7.Mary I doesn't get cancer and has a child
8. Elizabeth I marries and has a child.
A few other scenarios to add to the list:
-Henry VII and Elizabeth of York have another surviving son beside Arthur and Henry.
-Henry VII has one (or more) younger "full" (i.e. same father & mother) brothers. Probably the unlikiest POD to work on as I think chances are very small.
-Henry FitzRoy lives and has children. He's a bastard but Henry VIII had planned to make him his successor at one point if I'm not wrong...
Technically, these two scenarios would actually put an end to the Tudor dynasty after the death of either Mary or Elizabeth. The children of a queen were generally of her husband's family: think, for example, how the children of Victoria (who was from the House of Hannover) became members of the House of Saxe-Cobourg-Gotha (Albert's family). Thus, while Mary or Elizabeth's children would definitely have Tudor blood, they wouldn't be Tudors.
A few other scenarios to add to the list:
-Henry VII and Elizabeth of York have another surviving son beside Arthur and Henry.
Jasper didn't really have any claim on the throne, though: Henry's best claims were through his wife and through his mother.You could have Jasper Tudor and his wife having surviving issue. They both had children OTL, but apparently none that survived.
- You could have Jasper Tudor and his wife having surviving issue. They both had children OTL, but apparently none that survived.
But Jasper Tudor's line is not in the succession (or at least, a long way down - I suppose Catherine of Valois was in the line of succession herself, thanks to the intertwined families of Europe), so they would need to marry their cousins in order to maintain the dynasty on the throne - some Jasper-line Tudor could marry Mary, Queen of Scots, for example. Though I suppose that the succession can be changed to nominate whoever you like, as Henry VIII tried to do at times.
You can't get Tudors through the female lines, so Mary, Elizabeth, Jane Seymour or any of her sisters are all out.
For the Tudors to survive on the throne, you would need a POD very far back in time. I don't know the history of this, for all I know it goes back to the Dark Ages. But the Tudor Dynasty was already clearly dying out due to inbreeding by the time of even the Wars of the Roses. So many men from Henry V's time and later dying without issue, without even conception.
Without embracing exogamy, it was already too late for the Tudors.
As to Henry's marriages? None produced a long surviving son, and every wife after Jane Seymour was either infertile or Henry was already by this time shooting blanks.
For the Tudors to survive on the throne, you would need a POD very far back in time. I don't know the history of this, for all I know it goes back to the Dark Ages. But the Tudor Dynasty was already clearly dying out due to inbreeding by the time of even the Wars of the Roses. So many men from Henry V's time and later dying without issue, without even conception.
This is overstating the case -- Margaret Tudor's descendants still exist and one of them is on the throne today. No reason that one of her brothers' lines couldn't also have continued.
I was thinking of something similar to Queen Elizabeth II. The royal house will still be called Windsor when she dies, even though the name should change to her husbands house, I can't remember the name. England wouldn't want their Royal house to have a foreign name, after all they were notoriously xenophobic.
Alternatively, some stud does the honours and is not found out. Admittedly Anne of Cleves would be not a lightly candidate here. However, if Catherine Howard got pregnant by Thomas Culpeper or Francis Dereham without any scandal getting out then Henry would acknowledge the son as his own.Of have Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard or Catherine Parr provide the King with a Duke of York although given Henry's heatlh in later years that might be a stretch.