AHC (1474-1900): The Life of X, 2nd Duke of York (and Albany)

Since 1461, when the great-grandson of the first duke became King Edward IV, not one of the ten subsequent holders of the title has ever passed it on: they either died without male heirs or became King themselves. Wikipedia

What if one of the dukes had a legitimate son and does not become King.

Your challenge, if you accept, is to write a short biography of the son.

Bonus points for a full Timeline :cool:

This thread is about possible sons of the Dukes (who will not become King), from one of the Princes in the Tower, to the later George V.
For the last two go here.
 
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Since 1461, when the great-grandson of the first duke became King Edward IV, not one of the ten subsequent holders of the title has ever passed it on: they either died without male heirs or became King themselves. Wikipedia

What if one of the dukes had a legitimate son and does not become King.

Your challenge, if you accept, is to write a short biography of the son.

Bonus points for a full Timeline :cool:

This thread is about possible sons of the Dukes (who will not become King), from one of the Princes in the Tower, to the later George V.
For the last two go here.


In my CoHE TL, Edward Augustus, Duke of York, the brother of George III is sent to the North American colonies as Proprietor of the Continental Crown Lands. In 1789 he becomes King of Albion (U.S. analogue) as Edward I. He is permitted to resign as Duke of York in favor of his 2nd son William.

Duke of York and Albany (1760)
1- Edward (2nd son of Frederick, Prince of Wales)
2- William (2nd son of Edward) 1789 – [extraordinary succession]
3- Augustus (3rd son of Edward) 1799
4- Thomas (son of Augustus) 1847 – [end of male line]

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In another TL that I'll write someday, one in which Prince Albert Victor Christian Edward lives to succeed his father, reigning as Edward VIII, his brother remains Duke of York for life.

Duke of York and Albany (1893)
1- George (2nd son of King Edward VII)
2- Edward (1st son of George) 1937
3- Albert (2nd son of George) 1969
4- Edward (only son of Albert) 1974
5- George (1st son of Edward) 2011 – [incumbent]
 
Simple; Prince Albert Victor doesn't die during the influenza epidemic of 1889-1892, and goes on to become King Edward VIII; OTL's George V, now simply Prince George, Duke of York, passes the title along to his son, OTL's Edward VIII.
 
Sorry for taking so long to respond.

I appreciate Lord Grattan's collateral solving of the AHC, but I would generally love to see more commitment to the topic. Maybe I need to elaborate my reasons to put up this issue.

It is peculiar, that the title most commonly granted to a monarchs second son, has this 'kind of curse' on it.

The first creation (the only exception to the 'no heir to the title rule') also established the War of the Roses House of York. Every one of the next ten Dukes either died without surviving male issue or succeeded to the throne.

While the PODs to get a 2nd Duke of York, [2.-11.]creation is mostly trivial (one birth more and/or one death less) they will have interesting consequences. Even if our second duke will have no mayor role in those consequences, he would provide a unique point of view. There are also the implications of a second House of York?

Lets look at the ten possible fathers of our hero.


Well this are 10 opportunities (with the most obvious PODs) for a diffrent TL. I think they have potential, but I'm no story teller, so it's up to you to play with it.
 
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Well, for one thing who's to say Beatrice won't become the Duchess of York in her own right? She's only 24, so if she then has a son, we get our 2nd Duke, without it being a new creation.
 
Well, for one thing who's to say Beatrice won't become the Duchess of York in her own right?

Because that's not how it works under the law. Unlike the crown, noble titles don't pass to girls or through them, it's direct male primogeniture. When Andrew dies it will go exctinct.
 
Because that's not how it works under the law. Unlike the crown, noble titles don't pass to girls or through them, it's direct male primogeniture. When Andrew dies it will go exctinct.

Well, there are exceptions, but having looked into it, the requisite acts of parliament do seem unlikely in this situation.
 
Given that the title "Duke of York" is so specifically the king's second son by now, I suspect that if Beatrice HAD been a boy she wouldn't have inherited that title.

Just like Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall are NOT hereditary titles in and of themselves.
 
Given that the title "Duke of York" is so specifically the king's second son by now, I suspect that if Beatrice HAD been a boy she wouldn't have inherited that title.

Just like Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall are NOT hereditary titles in and of themselves.

The noble title Duke of York is (like those of Edinburgh, Gloucester, Cambridge, etc.) a hereditary one. It was created for The Prince Andrew and "heirs male of his body." IF (big if:D) he remarries and he+his wife have a son the current creation would not become extinct.
 
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