AH Timeline: The NHL-WHA merger: A different story

Expansion cities

  • Milwaukee, WI

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Ottawa, ON

    Votes: 5 71.4%
  • Portland, OR

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Miami, FL

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Kansas City, MO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Phoenix, AZ

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .
1983-84 NHL Playoffs: First and Second Rounds
Winners in BOLD

First Round
Hartford Whalers 3 - Montreal Canadiens 0
Quebec Nordiques 3 - Boston Bruins 1
New York Islanders 3 - New York Rangers 1
Washington Capitals 3 - Atlanta Flames 2

Colorado Rockies 3 - Seattle Thunderbirds 2
Los Angeles Kings 3 - Winnipeg Jets 1
St Louis Blues 3 - Minnesota North Stars 0
Houston Aeros 3 - Cincinnati Stingers 0

Second Round
Hartford Whalers 4 - Quebec Nordiques 3
New York Islanders 4 - Washington Capitals 2

Los Angeles Kings 4 - Colorado Rockies 1
St Louis Blues 4 - Houston Aeros 3

Comments appreciated! Who’s your pick to advance?
 
I would pick the Whalers and Blues to advance.

Back to the Pens. In this alternate world, going to NJ would be interesting because they got Lemieux over NJ in OTL. Also, Hamilton would be interesting if they called the team the Steelers (Hamilton is the steel capital of Canada, and the Steelers are the name of the team that represents the city that the Pens would be leaving in this alternate world).
 
I would pick the Whalers and Blues to advance.

Back to the Pens. In this alternate world, going to NJ would be interesting because they got Lemieux over NJ in OTL. Also, Hamilton would be interesting if they called the team the Steelers (Hamilton is the steel capital of Canada, and the Steelers are the name of the team that represents the city that the Pens would be leaving in this alternate world).
Hell, even Hampton Roads (Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA) and Vegas are options for the Pens. Albeit they are long shots.
 
Funny how in both Conference Finals, the Whalers end up playing either of the New York City franchises. This is somewhat ironic given that both of the current AHL franchises in Connecticut (Hartford Wolf Pack and Bridgeport Sound Tigers) are affiliates of the New York teams. Would not be surprised if there’s a rivalry between the Whalers and Rangers/Islanders that turns out to be bigger than that between the Whalers and Bruins despite the Bruins being in the same division as the Whalers and not the Islanders/Rangers.
 
Hampton Roads tried to get a team around 1997. They were going to be called the Rhinos:

Hampton Roads would be a good place for an NHL team but did they have an arena for a team around this point?

Also, in hindsight, I rather have San Diego have the Pens and maybe give Pittsburgh an expansion in the 2000s? Pittsburgh is a good market but the Penguins were poorly owned and managed, I figured maybe if they have better management they can regain a team around the 2000s?

It a long shot but it was a thought I had last night. BTW, if the pens move to San Diego, rename them the Mariners to honor the WHA team who used to play there.
 
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Leafs find buyer after Ballards death

At a press conference today, Alfred J. Billies, co-founder and CEO of Canadian Tire, enthusiastically announced he had bought our Toronto Maple Leafs from Harold Ballards estate. Ballard, who was 80 at the time of his death from injuries suffered in a car crash in August, was often criticized as Maple Leafs owner for hating his players and turning off water fountains at Maple Leaf Gardens just so fans would buy soft drinks instead. Maple Leaf fans rejoiced when the heard the news of the sale. “I’m just glad he’s [Harold Ballard] gone!” Said one fan when they heard the news. “Now we can focus on winning again!” Ballard also owner the CFL’s Hamilton Tiger-Cats, who are still in search of a buyer.

- Toronto Star
May 14th, 1984
 
Hampton Roads would be a good place for an NHL team but did they have an arena for a team around this point?

Also, in hindsight, I rather have San Diego have the Pens and maybe give Pittsburgh an expansion in the 2000s? Pittsburgh is a good market but the Penguins were poorly owned and managed, I figured maybe if they have better management they can regain a team around the 2000s?

It a long shot but it was a thought I had last night. BTW, if the pens move to San Diego, rename them the Mariners to honor the WHA team who used to play there.

But with the Rockies still in Colorado, Pittsburgh could try to get the Nordiques or Whalers to move in the 90s.
 
But with the Rockies still in Colorado, Pittsburgh could try to get the Nordiques or Whalers to move in the 90s.
I don’t Quebec or Hartford would move, considering Hartford has won a cup and seems to getting started as for Quebec, if everything goes right, they’ll probably stay as well. Pittsburgh will probably get an expansion team in the expansion years between 1991 and 2000.
 
I don’t Quebec or Hartford would move, considering Hartford has won a cup and seems to getting started as for Quebec, if everything goes right, they’ll probably stay as well. Pittsburgh will probably get an expansion team in the expansion years between 1991 and 2000.

That's right. In this timeline, the Whale is a winning team. And, it makes sense for Pittsburgh to get an expansion team in the 90's.
 
1984 NHL Conference Finals
Whales Conference Final: Hartford vs NY Islanders

G1: HAR 1 @ NYI 4 Islanders lead series 1-0

Denis Potvin had a goal and 2 assists as the Isles took the opener with ease.

G2: HAR 3 @ NYI 2 Series tied 1-1

Ron Handy scores the winner with 1:38 left in regulation to tie the series heading to Hartford.

G3: NYI 5 @ HAR 4 Islanders lead series 2-1

Mike Bossy scores twice and has two assists to help the Islanders to a win and the series lead.

G4: NYI 3 @ HAR 2 Islanders lead series 3-1

This game featured one of the oddest events in Hockey History, as the clock wound down in the third period of game 4, Billy Smith attempted to clear the puck. It went off of Brian Trottier’s stick, across Center ice and hopped over the pad of Grant Fuhr just as the buzzer sounded. Without Instant replay, the referees had to make a decision on the spot. After a few minutes of talking it over, Kerry Fraser pointed to Center ice to signal a goal. The Hartford crowd was irate and Fraser had a police escort out of the building for safety.

G5: HAR 6 @ NYI 4 Islanders lead series 3-2

After the shocking loss in game 4, the Whalers came out swinging in game 5, scoring 5 goals in the first 18 minutes of the game. The Islanders tried to rally, but they fell short as the series goes back to Hartford for game 6.

G6: NYI 2 @ HAR 3 (2OT) Series tied 3-3

The Whalers again led for most of the game, but again the Islanders rallied, thanks to a pair of goals from Bob Nystrom. In double overtime however, Ray Bourque fed a perfect pass to Ron Handy who deked Billy Smith to force a game 7 on Long Island.

G7: HAR 5 @ NYI 0 Whalers win series 4-3

Game 7 would be all Whalers from the start, as trade deadline pick-up Brad Park would have two goals and two assists. The win came with a cost however, as Ray Bourque was injured with a broken hand.

Campbell Conference Final: St Louis vs Los Angeles

G1: LA 2 @ STL 5 Blues lead series 1-0

The Kings forgot to show up in game 1 as Wayne Gretzky and Mike Gartner did their thing, dominate the scoreboard. The Great One scored a hat trick and Gartner added a goal of his own.

G2: LA 2 @ STL 3 Blues lead series 2-0

Los Angeles played much better in Game 2, but the Blues were a step ahead all night. “We’re down but not out just yet.” Said Kings forward Charlie Simmer. “We just have to go home and win one and we’re back in it.”

G3: STL 1 @ LA 2 (OT) Blues lead series 2-1

True to his word, Charlie Simmer stepped up his game as did the rest of the Kings. Simmer even scored the Overtime winner on a rebound off Roland Melanson.

G4: STL 2 @ LA 3 Series tied 2-2

Game 4 was a mirror of game 3, only more goals were scored and it did not go to overtime. With 14 seconds left in the 3rd, Bernie Federko had a chance to tie the game, but Mario Lessard made a unbelievable glove save to preserve an LA win to tie the series with the pressure on the Blues.

G5: LA 3 @ STL 4 (OT) Blues lead series 3-2

With 9 minutes left, LA was up 3-0 and all but had the victory sealed. But then, out of the blue (no pun intended) St Louis would two goals 9 seconds apart from each other. With 3:16 left in regulation, Marcel Dionne appeared to have scored the Kings 4th goal, but it was called back due to offside. Just 35 seconds later, Larry Robinson tied the game and sent it to overtime. Overtime would last just 29 seconds as Gartner would tip in a Robinson shot to win it.

G6: STL 8 @ LA 4 Blues win series 4-2

Los Angeles never really recovered following the game 5 heartbreaker as the Blues won easily despite a Denis Savard hat trick to advance to the Stanley Cup Final for the second time in 3 years.

Comments appreciated! Who’s your pick for the Final?
 
Whales Conference Final: Hartford vs NY Islanders

G1: HAR 1 @ NYI 4 Islanders lead series 1-0

Denis Potvin had a goal and 2 assists as the Isles took the opener with ease.

G2: HAR 3 @ NYI 2 Series tied 1-1

Ron Handy scores the winner with 1:38 left in regulation to tie the series heading to Hartford.

G3: NYI 5 @ HAR 4 Islanders lead series 2-1

Mike Bossy scores twice and has two assists to help the Islanders to a win and the series lead.

G4: NYI 3 @ HAR 2 Islanders lead series 3-1

This game featured one of the oddest events in Hockey History, as the clock wound down in the third period of game 4, Billy Smith attempted to clear the puck. It went off of Brian Trottier’s stick, across Center ice and hopped over the pad of Grant Fuhr just as the buzzer sounded. Without Instant replay, the referees had to make a decision on the spot. After a few minutes of talking it over, Kerry Fraser pointed to Center ice to signal a goal. The Hartford crowd was irate and Fraser had a police escort out of the building for safety.

G5: HAR 6 @ NYI 4 Islanders lead series 3-2

After the shocking loss in game 4, the Whalers came out swinging in game 5, scoring 5 goals in the first 18 minutes of the game. The Islanders tried to rally, but they fell short as the series goes back to Hartford for game 6.

G6: NYI 2 @ HAR 3 (2OT) Series tied 3-3

The Whalers again led for most of the game, but again the Islanders rallied, thanks to a pair of goals from Bob Nystrom. In double overtime however, Ray Bourque fed a perfect pass to Ron Handy who deked Billy Smith to force a game 7 on Long Island.

G7: HAR 5 @ NYI 0 Whalers win series 4-3

Game 7 would be all Whalers from the start, as trade deadline pick-up Brad Park would have two goals and two assists. The win came with a cost however, as Ray Bourque was injured with a broken hand.

Campbell Conference Final: St Louis vs Los Angeles

G1: LA 2 @ STL 5 Blues lead series 1-0

The Kings forgot to show up in game 1 as Wayne Gretzky and Mike Gartner did their thing, dominate the scoreboard. The Great One scored a hat trick and Gartner added a goal of his own.

G2: LA 2 @ STL 3 Blues lead series 2-0

Los Angeles played much better in Game 2, but the Blues were a step ahead all night. “We’re down but not out just yet.” Said Kings forward Charlie Simmer. “We just have to go home and win one and we’re back in it.”

G3: STL 1 @ LA 2 (OT) Blues lead series 2-1

True to his word, Charlie Simmer stepped up his game as did the rest of the Kings. Simmer even scored the Overtime winner on a rebound off Roland Melanson.

G4: STL 2 @ LA 3 Series tied 2-2

Game 4 was a mirror of game 3, only more goals were scored and it did not go to overtime. With 14 seconds left in the 3rd, Bernie Federko had a chance to tie the game, but Mario Lessard made a unbelievable glove save to preserve an LA win to tie the series with the pressure on the Blues.

G5: LA 3 @ STL 4 (OT) Blues lead series 3-2

With 9 minutes left, LA was up 3-0 and all but had the victory sealed. But then, out of the blue (no pun intended) St Louis would two goals 9 seconds apart from each other. With 3:16 left in regulation, Marcel Dionne appeared to have scored the Kings 4th goal, but it was called back due to offside. Just 35 seconds later, Larry Robinson tied the game and sent it to overtime. Overtime would last just 29 seconds as Gartner would tip in a Robinson shot to win it.

G6: STL 8 @ LA 4 Blues win series 4-2

Los Angeles never really recovered following the game 5 heartbreaker as the Blues won easily despite a Denis Savard hat trick to advance to the Stanley Cup Final for the second time in 3 years.

Comments appreciated! Who’s your pick for the Final?
Oh god, The isles have officialy become LOLcows by blowing a 3-1 lead. That was ugly.

This time, the blues are gonna win it, me thinks.
 
1984 Stanley Cup Finals
1984 Stanley Cup Finals: St Louis Blues vs Hartford Whalers
TV: CBC (Canada) Commentators: Bob Cole (play-by-play) & Harry Neale (color) CBS (United States) Commentators: Ken Wilson (play-by-play) & Stan Fischler (color)

G1: HAR 4 @ STL 1 Whalers lead series 1-0

Ray Bourque played great in game one, scoring twice in a 4-1 Hartford win in St Louis.

G2: HAR 2 @ STL 4 Series tied 1-1

The Blues responded with a win in game two, thanks to an early third period goal from Viacheslav Fetisov. St Louis hung on for a 4-2 win to tie the series.

G3: STL 2 @ HAR 3 (OT) Whalers lead series 2-1

In Hartford for game three, the teams battled to a 2-2 tie and the game went into overtime. Halfway through the overtime, Marc Tardiff’s shot beat St Louis goaltender Roland Melanson and appeared to go into the net before Melanson grabbed it with his glove. Officials (without instant replay) ruled that the puck never crossed the line and the game went on. With just three minutes left in the first overtime, Bourque entered the St Louis zone and released a slapshot on net. The puck dipped and beat Melanson to give Hartford a 3-2 win.

G4: STL 5 @ HAR 1 Series tied 2-2

Unable to get a step ahead of the Whalers, the Blues were desperate for a win in game four. “We know we can beat them, we just need to keep our game simple” said Mike Gartner. The Blues committed to tighter defensive play in game four, stifling the Whalers as they only managed two shots in the first period. Meanwhile, Wayne Gretzky scored twice to give St Louis a 2-0 lead. Bernie Federko scored early in the second just before Gary Leeman made it 4-0. Frustration took over for Hartford, as several scrums broke out near the end of the second period. Hartford managed to score once in the third period but it was too little too late, as St Louis won the game 5-1.

G5: HAR 4 @ STL 5 Blues lead series 3-2

Game five would be pivotal, with the winner getting an opportunity to claim the title. It would be a high scoring affair, as the teams were tied 3-3 with time winding down in the third. With just six minutes left, Pat Verbeek gave the Hartford the lead. St Louis entered desperation mode once again, pulling Melanson with a minute to go. Mike Gartner failed to beat Grant Fuhr, but Viacheslav Fetisov banged in the rebound and the game was tied. It appeared that the game would go into overtime when suddenly, Gretzky stripped Hartford's Ron Handy of the puck and got on a breakaway. Gretzky beat Fuhr with a deke to give St Louis the lead. Hartford scrambled to try to tie it but it was too late. The Blues now led the series 3-2 and had a chance to claim the championship.

G6: STL 2 @ HAR 3 (OT) Series tied 3-3

With the Stanley Cup in the building for game six, the burning question was whether or not the Whalers could rebound from the devastating loss in game five. The question would soon be answered when Ray Bourque and Ron Handy each scored to make it 2-0 for Hartford. Gretzky scored late in the second period, closing the gap to a goal. Hartford then had a chance to increase the lead to two goals once again when Ric Nattress hit the post on a breakaway. St Louis withstood intense pressure from Hartford to extend the lead until Gerry Hart tied the game with just four minutes left. The game would go into overtime, where St Louis hoped to win their first cup in team history. However Hartford would ensure that would not happen this time when Pat Verbeek scored midway through the extra frame, forcing a game seven back in St Louis.

G7: HAR 1 @ STL 3 Blues win series 4-3

“This series has been one for the ages, we all knew it had to go to seven” said commentator Ken Wilson just prior to the deciding game. The 55-year-old St Louis Arena was as loud as it had ever been on May 23, 1984, the night of game seven. As the game began, both teams were clearly tense. No goals were scored in the first period, but there were some close calls. Mike Gartner had a golden opportunity with a wide open net but fanned on the shot and it went wide. With just seconds left in the first period, Ron Handy had a breakaway chance for Hartford. He beat Melanson but failed to score as the puck went off the crossbar. Hartford would finally strike first, eight minutes into the second period when Bourque took a pass in the slot from Handy and deked Gary Leeman before beating Roland Melanson to give the Whalers the lead. Hartford would nurse the lead through the rest of the period despite constant pressure from the Blues. Early in the third, St Louis finally got on the board when Bernie Federko tied the game. St Louis continued to press, but Fuhr met every challenge. The young goalie had been absolutely brilliant throughout most of the series and now seemed almost unbeatable. Finally with seven minutes to go in regulation, Gretzky found himself on a 2-on-1 alongside Larry Robinson. Gretzky slipped Robinson the puck and he immediately redirected it into the gaping net as the crowd erupted. St Louis now held the lead. Hartford made a push, pulling Fuhr in a desperate attempt to tie the game. Pat Verbeek nearly tied it with a wide open net and just 38 seconds left but just missed. Finally, Fetisov got the puck in the open and dumped it toward the empty St Louis net. The puck rolled into the net with just nine seconds to go, sealing the victory for the Blues. As the crowd counted out the final seconds, the Blues poured off the bench. "This is the greatest moment in my life." Said Wayne Gretzky. "Hopefully we can win it again next year."

Comments apricated! Congrats to Blues fans!
 
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Great series. Now, who gets Lemieux? And, where do the Pens end up? New Jersey?
1. Lemieux will be headed to the Maple Leafs since they basically tanked to get him as they finished last in the NHL standings

2. The Penguins future home city is still in doubt. The consensus seems to be that they will play one last season in Pittsburgh then go to either San Diego, Dallas, Hamilton or New Jersey. Maybe Portland (OR) or Phoenix
 
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1. Lemieux will be headed to the Maple Leafs since they basically tanked to get him as they finished last in the NHL standings

2. The Penguins future home city is still in doubt. The consensus seems to be that they will play one last season in Pittsburgh then go to either San Diego, Dallas, Hamilton or New Jersey. Maybe Portland (OR) or Phoenix

NJ and Hamilton are probably the front-runners. If they go to SD, they would fill a winter sport void (since the racist just moved the Clips to LA), but who would want to buy them in SD?
 
1984 NHL Draft
1984 NHL Entry Draft - Notable Picks

1. Mario Lemieux (C) - Toronto Maple Leafs

2. Kirk Mueller (C) - Chicago Black Hawks

25. Scott Mellanby (RW) - New York Islanders (from STL)

47. Patrick Roy (G) - Seattle Thunderbirds

103. Kirk McLean (G) - Los Angeles Kings

113. Brett Hull (RW) - Philadelphia Flyers

176. Luc Robitallie (LW) - Cincinnati Stingers

200. Paul Cavallini (D) - Philadelphia Flyers

comments appreciated! How did your team do?
 
Other sports in 1983-84

NFL: The Washington Redskins repeat as Super Bowl champions defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XVIII 45-10. Joe Theissman was named MVP of the game with 3 touchdown passes. After the season, the Baltimore Colts abruptly moved to Indianapolis, Indiana in the middle of the night.

MLB: For the first time since 1908, the Chicago Cubs are Word Series champions over the favored Detroit Tigers in seven games. In the bottom of the ninth of game 7, Ryan Sandberg hit a dramatic home run into left field to win the game and the series for Chicago which sent Wrigley Field (and the entire North Side) into pandemonium.

NBA: For the fourth time in the 80s, the Boston Celtics are NBA Champions, winning the championship over the cinderella Kansas City Kings in a 4 game sweep. Despite the loss, the city of Kansas City had a parade and rally for the team. Many NBA fans thought they would be moving to Sacramento, CA but all that will be erased after the run to the Finals. Meanwhile, Larry Bird won another finals MVP putting up 37 points a game on average. After the season, the San Diego Clippers were moved to Sacramento instead of the Kings.
 
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