AH Regal List

Archangel Michael

Archangel Michael

Here's a list of AH British monarchs from George III to the end of the 19th century. What's the PoD? Note: The House of Brunswick-Lüneburg is the real name for the House of Hanover.

GREAT BRITAIN

House of Brunswick-Lüneburg
George III (1738-1820)
King 1760-1820
Grandson of George II

George IV (1762-1830)
Regent 1811-1820
King 1820-1830
Son of George III

Charlotte I (1796-1841)
Queen 1830-1841
Daughter of George IV

Augustus I (1773-1846)
King 1841-1846
Uncle of Charlotte I

Augustus II (1799-1876)
King 1846-1847
Son of Augustus II
Overthrown 1847

Second British Commonwealth
Arthur Wellesley (1769-1853)
President-Minister 1847-1853

Arthur Richard Wellesley (1807-1875)
President-Minister 1853-1855
Overthrown 1855

House of Brunswick-Lüneburg, Restored
Mary III (1776-1857)
Queen 1855-1857
Aunt of Augustus II

House of Gloucester
William IV (1801-1874)
King 1857-1877
Son of Mary III

William V (1825-1890)
King 1877-1890
Son of William IV

Albert I (1829-1896)
King 1890-1896
Brother of William V

Albert II (1851- )
King 1896-
Son of Albert I

Frederick Augustus (1877- )
Prince of Wales 1896-
Son of Albert II
 

Prunesquallor

Some dirty work at the crossroads? I assume Augustus I is the Duke of Sussex, 6th son of George III. Charlotte dies mysteriously, Augustus takes over. Perhaps the real force behind this is his son, the father is too old really for such acts. This is remembered and there's a revolt figureheaded by Wellington. There's some dispute as to the succession so Wellington stays on. His son lacks his prestige and is ousted, playing Richard to his father's Oliver. The aged Mary, the youngest and only surviving child of George III, the widow of the Duke of Gloucester, is shoved on the throne.
 
Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf

Most intriguing. Charlotte's 1817 child either dies but she lives (not completely unlikely as she had had miscarriages before), or he lives but dies an infant. Maybe this childbirth so damages her she is not able to have another child.

Her accession in 1830 would put a succession of uncles on the throne of Hannover - first Wiiliam, Duke of Clarence, then Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland.

Her death in 1841 raises an interesting couple of issues - where is Victoria ? By the rules of OTL, the Duke of Kent's son Victoria should be next in line after her, and before the Duke of Cumberland/King of Hannover. Its quite possible, Victoria is dead from any number of causes. Is it possible she was not born ? The marriages of the sons of George III largely happened OTL as a result of the death of Charlotte, when they saw their own chance to place their line on the throne. Charlotte's survival might spike that, especially if she is not known to be unable to bear more children, or if the child grows but then tragically dies young.

Thus in 1841 a choice of king needs to be made. Parliament can, I believe, interfere here. The Duke of Cumberland as King of Hannover can be overlooked for the succession. He probably won't like that much ! But he's getting old, his party in the UK is probably severely in decline (he's an Ultra Tory whilst Charlotte is Whig-affiliated) and he probably is unable to press his claim

Thus succession devolves upon the Duke of Sussex, Augustus. As king he can probably retroactively legitimise his progeny from his first marriage (which was dissolved at George III's orders in the 1790s because it violated the Royal Marriages Act). Thus Augustus II is Augustus d'Este

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf

There is another earlier POD in here, and that has to be that Princess Mary is allowed to marry 'Silly Billy' earlier than in OTL. The 1801 date for a child is 15 years before the OTL marriage, but comes with a note on a webpage that at the age of 40 she 'was finally allowed to marry' him, implying it had been on the cards for some time. Thus, she marries him in her mid twenties and has a son, William, born in 1801

As this is the earlier POD it would seem that there is a dual POD here, as I can't see this one actually knocking on to Charlotte's survival, though I suppose you never know

Grey Wolf
 
Archangel Michael

Archangel Michael

Modified List

GREAT BRITAIN

House of Brunswick-Lüneburg
George III (1738-1820)
King 1760-1820
Grandson of George II

George IV (1762-1830)
Regent 1811-1820
King 1820-1830
Son of George III

Charlotte I (1796-1841)
Queen 1830-1841
Daughter of George IV

Augustus I (1773-1846)
King 1841-1846
Uncle of Charlotte I

Augustus II (1799-1876)
King 1846-1847
Son of Augustus II
Overthrown 1847

Second British Commonwealth (1847-1855)
Arthur Wellesley (1769-1853)
President-Minister 1847-1853

Arthur Richard Wellesley (1807-1875)
President-Minister 1853-1855
Overthrown 1855

House of Brunswick-Lüneburg, Restored
Octavius I (1779-1858)
King 1855-1858
Uncle of Augustus II

Augustus III (1799-1867)
Regent 1856-1858, King 1858-1867
Son of Octavius I

George V (1821-1883)
King 1867-1883
Son of Augustus III

Julius I (1823-1889)
King 1883-1889
Brother of George V

Octavius II (1841-present)
King 1889-present
Son of Julius I

William (1867-present)
Prince of Wales 1889-present
Son of Octavius II
 
Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf

Of course I am not really sure why Mary gets the throne. I had thought perhaps the inter-regnum administration purges some royal lines, but that doesn't work for two reasons - 1. the overthrown Augustus II is shown as living into the 1870s, and 2....ah, I am forgetting one thing NONE of George III's daughters OTL had children, so we can actually dump all the female lines. This leaves us with Augustus' Sussex line itself, and that of Cambridge to worry about. One assumes that driven from the throne, Augustus goes into exile somewhere. Mayhap he has no heir, and perhaps he is so unpopular that nobody would ever want him back. That leaves Cambridge - perhaps THAT line is purged during the inter-regnum ? That leaves no sons of George III, so the descent goes down the female line and finds only Mary, handily with an ATL son to continue things

One supposes in this that George V, King of Hannover continues to have his line excluded

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf

Grey Wolf

Lol, the world is confusing I was just looking at Octavius from :-

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kvenjb/madmonarchs/george3/george3_bio.htm


Despite the formality, George really did love his children. When Prince Alfred died in 1782 before the age of 2, George was deeply distressed, and when Prince Octavius, of whom he had been especially fond, died the following year at the age of 4, he was heartbroken.

http://www.britannia.com/history/berks/winbur.html

Prince Octavius, d.1783, aged 4, son of King George III (transferred from Westminster Abbey)


Grey Wolf
 

David S Poepoe

Banned
I think it more likely that Wellington/Wellesley would title himself President-Regent, in the same way that Admiral Horthy served as Regent of Hungary throughout the 1920-1930s. It would be very much a caretaker government. Would Octavius actually have used that particular name if he came to the throne or would Government ask him to style himself George V in order to symbol both a degree of restoration and continuum?
 
Archangel Michael

Archangel Michael

Grey Wolf said:
Of course I am not really sure why Mary gets the throne. I had thought perhaps the inter-regnum administration purges some royal lines, but that doesn't work for two reasons - 1. the overthrown Augustus II is shown as living into the 1870s, and 2....ah, I am forgetting one thing NONE of George III's daughters OTL had children, so we can actually dump all the female lines. This leaves us with Augustus' Sussex line itself, and that of Cambridge to worry about. One assumes that driven from the throne, Augustus goes into exile somewhere. Mayhap he has no heir, and perhaps he is so unpopular that nobody would ever want him back. That leaves Cambridge - perhaps THAT line is purged during the inter-regnum ? That leaves no sons of George III, so the descent goes down the female line and finds only Mary, handily with an ATL son to continue things

One supposes in this that George V, King of Hannover continues to have his line excluded

Grey Wolf
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Augustus and his son (also named Augustus) have absolutley no support in Britain to be reinstated as the King.
 
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