AH Question: Biggest possible Bavaria?

What is the largest Bavaria could plausibly be, with a POD during or after the reign of Louis IV Holy Roman Emperor?
 
Depends what you mean by Bavaria. A wittlesbach led German monarchy centered on Munich could conceivably make the Holy Roman Pire into a unied state that survives today.
 
In my "The Mighty Houses have Struck out," and also in one where just the Emperor/Austrian Archduke dies but Louis XIV survives (and which name I forget), Ferdinand Maria gets Austria and then Bohemia. In my TL, I'm pretty sure I recall he gets elected to Bohemia and he gets Austria through marrying his son to he oldest of Leopold's daughters, who in that TL is the only surviving child of Leopold.

he could have gotten Milan had thigns gone right, too, then, but they were trying to divide thigns because a lot of thrones went belly-up at once. You could have Ferdinand Maria's brother, who I think was in the Church OTL, marry a Duchess of Milan and then Ferdinand Maria's heirs get that if one of them dies without issue. Not sure how easily he'd get Baden, Wurttemburg, etc., but if he absorts Bohemia and it becomes his, you've got the start of a pretty good chunk of Centeral Europe just with a 1670 POD, potentially. Before then, you can get more.
 
You are too vague.
If you expect others to answer your question with details, then please give more specifics. Else it sounds like the AH equivalent of "do my homework for me".

After all, you said just "PoD between 1300 and 1900". That is pretty pointless. Off the cuff I can give you:

*No Treaty of Pavia would be a good start.

* The alt-Ottoman (or another Balkans-based Muslim) empire conquers Austria up to Linz, Bavaria resists and unites with Bohemia and Tyrol into a strong, frontline "protector of the faithful" state. Later they acquire vast parts of the Rhineland based on the Palatinate.

* Due to different dynastical developments, the Bavarian possessions Holland-Zeeland-Friesland and Hainaut become the nuclei of a Low Countries conglomerate, with, randomly picked, Brabant-Limburg, Gelderland, Cleves-Mark and Juliers-Berg. After the begin of an alt-colonial era, the maritime power of the Bavarian possessions enables the Wittelsbachs to acquire more territorie overseas as well as inside the HRE.

Wikipedia map:
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In my "The Mighty Houses have Struck out," and also in one where just the Emperor/Austrian Archduke dies but Louis XIV survives (and which name I forget), Ferdinand Maria gets Austria and then Bohemia. In my TL, I'm pretty sure I recall he gets elected to Bohemia and he gets Austria through marrying his son to he oldest of Leopold's daughters, who in that TL is the only surviving child of Leopold.

he could have gotten Milan had thigns gone right, too, then, but they were trying to divide thigns because a lot of thrones went belly-up at once. You could have Ferdinand Maria's brother, who I think was in the Church OTL, marry a Duchess of Milan and then Ferdinand Maria's heirs get that if one of them dies without issue. Not sure how easily he'd get Baden, Wurttemburg, etc., but if he absorts Bohemia and it becomes his, you've got the start of a pretty good chunk of Centeral Europe just with a 1670 POD, potentially. Before then, you can get more.

I will have to look up that timeline. Interesting.
 
How about a POD in 1699? Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria doesn't die in 1699, so when the last of the Spanish Hapsburgs die out, Bavaria inherits Spain and its entire colonial empire.
 
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You are too vague.
If you expect others to answer your question with details, then please give more specifics. Else it sounds like the AH equivalent of "do my homework for me".
Fair enough. I'm interested in changes mostly in the high middle ages, and my thought process is centering around reversing the decay of the stem duchies into further petty states. However, it occurred to me that, because of how far afield Wittelsbach/Bavarian possessions were historically, something still larger might have been possible. I had the idea that, with cards played right, most of what was West Germany in our timeine could have ended up Bavarian, but such seemed unlikely, and I'm not committed to that idea anyway, hence the ambiguity of the OP. Beyond that I'm open-minded.


After all, you said just "PoD between 1300 and 1900". That is pretty pointless. Off the cuff I can give you:

*No Treaty of Pavia would be a good start.

* The alt-Ottoman (or another Balkans-based Muslim) empire conquers Austria up to Linz, Bavaria resists and unites with Bohemia and Tyrol into a strong, frontline "protector of the faithful" state. Later they acquire vast parts of the Rhineland based on the Palatinate.

* Due to different dynastical developments, the Bavarian possessions Holland-Zeeland-Friesland and Hainaut become the nuclei of a Low Countries conglomerate, with, randomly picked, Brabant-Limburg, Gelderland, Cleves-Mark and Juliers-Berg. After the begin of an alt-colonial era, the maritime power of the Bavarian possessions enables the Wittelsbachs to acquire more territorie overseas as well as inside the HRE.

So we'd have parts of Austria, southern Germany, and the areas around the Rhine all consolidated?
 
France wins the War of Austrian Succession on the continent. Charles Albert of Bavaria reigns as Charles VII for quite a while and also annexes Austria and Bohemia. His family has close ties with Saxony.

France wins also the Seven Years War (on the continent anyway) and Bavaria takes Silesia from Prussia.

After 1763, Bavaria turns its attentions on Habsburg Hungary and Poland obtaining the former and taking Galicia from the latter by 1772.
 
Fair enough. I'm interested in changes mostly in the high middle ages, and my thought process is centering around reversing the decay of the stem duchies into further petty states. However, it occurred to me that, because of how far afield Wittelsbach/Bavarian possessions were historically, something still larger might have been possible. I had the idea that, with cards played right, most of what was West Germany in our timeine could have ended up Bavarian, but such seemed unlikely, and I'm not committed to that idea anyway, hence the ambiguity of the OP. Beyond that I'm open-minded.

Avoiding the Bavaria-Palatinate split would be an important step, so you avoid the long intra-Wittelsbach quarrel over the electoral rights. In itself, "duke of Bavaria" is more prestigious than "count palatine of Lotharingia/the Rhine", so the united family would probably be titled Prince-Electors and Dukes of B, regardless of their main residence. be it in OTL Old Bavaria or in Heidelberg or even The Hague. Just like the Margraves of Meissen called themselves Dukes of Saxony as soon as possible.

So we'd have parts of Austria, southern Germany, and the areas around the Rhine all consolidated?

Well, my three bullet points were meant as three different TLs, but it is probably possible to unite them.
 
1. Casimir III's daughter, Kunigunde gives birth to a son which causes Poland to ally with Bavaria.

2. Bavaria with alliance with Poland Partitions Bohemia and the Luxembourg lands, Silesia ends up under Poland and the Polish throne passes to the son of Bolko of Swidnica or alternatively to Wladyslaw Opolczyk while most of Bohemia end up under Bavaria and Bavaria marries with the Luxembourg heiress to legitemize that, I think this is more doable if Casimir III stops the marriage between Elisabeth of Pomerania and Charles IV and marry her to his chosen successor.

3.Jaqueline of Hainault marries back to the main lineage of Wittelsbachs.
 
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