AH Navy ship drawings and designs

Alikchi

Here is your Russian battleship, laid down 1935. No drawing yet, will start working on one when I get home.

Kiev, Russian Battleship laid down 1935

Displacement:
38,015 t light; 40,601 t standard; 42,001 t normal; 43,121 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
745.75 ft / 745.75 ft x 110.00 ft x 32.00 ft (normal load)
227.30 m / 227.30 m x 33.53 m x 9.75 m

Armament:
12 - 14.02" / 356 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,650.00lbs / 748.43kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side ends, evenly spread
10 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
12 - 1.77" / 45.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 2.78lbs / 1.26kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 20,738 lbs / 9,407 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 405.00 ft / 123.44 m 11.50 ft / 3.51 m
Ends: 5.12" / 130 mm 235.00 ft / 71.63 m 11.50 ft / 3.51 m
105.75 ft / 32.23 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.91" / 150 mm 410.00 ft / 124.97 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5.91" / 150 mm 410.00 ft / 124.97 m 27.00 ft / 8.23 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 5.12" / 130 mm 2.36" / 60 mm 2.36" / 60 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm - -

- Armour deck: 5.00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 107,650 shp / 80,307 Kw = 28.36 kts
Range 7,400nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,520 tons

Complement:
1,466 - 1,907

Cost:
£18.251 million / $73.005 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,174 tons, 5.2 %
Armour: 15,346 tons, 36.5 %
- Belts: 4,284 tons, 10.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,419 tons, 5.8 %
- Armament: 2,791 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 5,566 tons, 13.3 %
- Conning Tower: 286 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,058 tons, 7.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,436 tons, 41.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,986 tons, 9.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
64,717 lbs / 29,355 Kg = 47.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 12.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 6.4 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 18.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.82
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.560
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.78 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.96 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Mid (67 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (16 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 23.09 ft / 7.04 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181.6 %
Waterplane Area: 60,177 Square feet or 5,591 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 216 lbs/sq ft or 1,053 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.51
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
 

Alikchi

Here's the Yugoslav dreadnaught. Comments welcome. She's not a great seaboat, but that shouldn't matter too much in the Adriatic...

Orao, Yugoslavian Battleship laid down 1936

Displacement:
23,355 t light; 24,624 t standard; 25,971 t normal; 27,049 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
582.63 ft / 574.15 ft x 91.86 ft x 27.89 ft (normal load)
177.59 m / 175.00 m x 28.00 m x 8.50 m

Armament:
6 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,322.77lbs / 600.00kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (8x2 guns), 52.91lbs / 24.00kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
12 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
10 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,802 lbs / 3,993 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.6" / 320 mm 364.60 ft / 111.13 m 11.52 ft / 3.51 m
Ends: 5.91" / 150 mm 209.55 ft / 63.87 m 11.52 ft / 3.51 m
Upper: 7.87" / 200 mm 364.60 ft / 111.13 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
5.91" / 150 mm 364.60 ft / 111.13 m 25.85 ft / 7.88 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 7.87" / 200 mm
2nd: 4.72" / 120 mm 2.36" / 60 mm 2.36" / 60 mm

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 11.02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 3 shafts, 73,820 shp / 55,070 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 6,400nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,425 tons

Complement:
1,022 - 1,329

Cost:
£10.662 million / $42.649 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,089 tons, 4.2 %
Armour: 11,260 tons, 43.4 %
- Belts: 3,876 tons, 14.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,060 tons, 7.9 %
- Armament: 1,541 tons, 5.9 %
- Armour Deck: 3,575 tons, 13.8 %
- Conning Tower: 208 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,071 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,935 tons, 34.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,616 tons, 10.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,429 lbs / 19,246 Kg = 32.4 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 9.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.96

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.618
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.07 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (21 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (67 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (16 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.51 ft / 6.25 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.1 %
Waterplane Area: 40,900 Square feet or 3,800 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 786 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.67
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
 

perdedor99

I read the info and registered in the WesWorld. Seems like an interesting concept. What nations are available and what are the rules?
 

Alikchi

perdedor99 said:
I read the info and registered in the WesWorld. Seems like an interesting concept. What nations are available and what are the rules?
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Right now available nations are Columbia, Poland, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, and Persia, I believe. I'm probably missing a few - feel free to post over there. :)

The rules are pretty complex, but in essence each country has a certain number of factories that produce warship material, which you use to build your navy or put into other projects. (I'm oversimplifying, but that's the heart of it.) The rest is roleplaying.
 

perdedor99

Alikchi said:
Right now available nations are Columbia, Poland, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, and Persia, I believe. I'm probably missing a few - feel free to post over there. :)

The rules are pretty complex, but in essence each country has a certain number of factories that produce warship material, which you use to build your navy or put into other projects. (I'm oversimplifying, but that's the heart of it.) The rest is roleplaying.
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I already posted in Wesworld that I wouldn't mind running Colombia. They seem to be very dependant of Atlantis and I could see them getting closer to the US. I noticed they are falling behind the Peruvians and Chilenians in regard to naval matters. IMO a good nation for a newbie. Their defensive strategy is too dependant of the Atlanteans. Maybe build a couple of coastal battleship or purchase a couple from the US?
 

Alikchi

perdedor99 said:
I already posted in Wesworld that I wouldn't mind running Colombia. They seem to be very dependant of Atlantis and I could see them getting closer to the US. I noticed they are falling behind the Peruvians and Chilenians in regard to naval matters. IMO a good nation for a newbie. Their defensive strategy is too dependant of the Atlanteans. Maybe build a couple of coastal battleship or purchase a couple from the US?
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Definitely a possiblity, although you'll want to maintain friendship with Atlantis. They're powerful enough to save you from almost any attack, and being associated with them prevents the other South American nations from taking advantage of your current weakness, IMHO.


Here's Orao, the Yugoslav dreadnaught, whipped up really fast so it's a bit ugly -

orao.jpg
 

Landshark

Alikchi said:
Well, everyone has a country, which has a certain number of factories that can be allotted to ship building or other tasks. The Philippines for example has 10 factories, and can put 10,000 tons of material into shipbuilding total every 3 months. :)

We build our navies in a reaction to perceived enemies and threats, much in the way a real navy reacts to competing ship designs. Politics are mostly secondary to the actual shipbuilding, although the world is starting to get more and more tense as we near the 1940s. For example, the Cleito Treaty, which is our analogue to the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, is starting to come apart, as individual nations demand greater allotments of tonnage for shipbuilding in reaction to perceived threats. The Manila battlecruiser that I'm in the process of designing is a reaction to Australian and Dutch capital ship designs.

The actual program is really cool, as you said. :) Drawing is more difficult but I've gotten good at it I think! Feel free to join if you like, we could always use new players. (Lithuania? Bulgaria? Columbia, or Peru? ;))

Check it out: http://www.wesworld.jk-clan.de/main.php
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Interesting.

Perhaps we could try an AH version? If so I bags the Byzantine Empire.
 

Alikchi

FENK said:
Don't worry...something tells me that Yugoslavs wouldn't care what their ships look like. :)
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I'm assuming it's their first try at a capital ship in any case.. and probably their last. The need just isn't there, you know? That's why it's cheap and relatively slow... you don't need anything fancy for sea control in the Adriatic.

A lot of the superstructure is borrowed from German warships of that era to show German or Austrian influence on the design.
 

Alikchi

Landshark said:
Interesting.

Perhaps we could try an AH version? If so I bags the Byzantine Empire.
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There's a similar game going on called Navalism that is waaay out there when it comes to AH... similar to Mosaic Earth, whereas Wesworld has various levels of resemblance to reality.

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The date is 1903 - I'm about to start playing as the Ottomans.
 

Fyrwulf

Banned
Alikchi said:
Definitely a possiblity, although you'll want to maintain friendship with Atlantis. They're powerful enough to save you from almost any attack, and being associated with them prevents the other South American nations from taking advantage of your current weakness, IMHO.
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Don't worry, nobody in South America would invade Colombia. We have plans for Colombia, you understand, but they're entirely positive ones.
 

Alikchi

Thanks TGV :)


Here's my attempt at Matt's proto-armoured cruiser. I'll try and draw her in a bit.

USS Ohio, United States armoured cruiser laid down 1880

Displacement:
3,038 t light; 3,225 t standard; 3,987 t normal; 4,597 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
294.00 ft / 293.00 ft x 40.50 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
89.61 m / 89.31 m x 12.34 m x 6.40 m

Armament:
2 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (1x2 guns), 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 1880 Model
Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret
on centreline forward
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 91.80lbs / 41.64kg shells, 1880 Model
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns in single mounts, 3.00lbs / 1.36kg shells, 1880 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all amidships
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.69lbs / 1.22kg shells, 1880 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 1,152 lbs / 522 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 175.79 ft / 53.58 m 7.64 ft / 2.33 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1.00" / 25 mm 175.79 ft / 53.58 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 2.00" / 51 mm -

- Armour deck: 0.25" / 6 mm, Conning tower: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,939 ihp / 4,431 Kw = 17.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,372 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
250 - 326

Cost:
£0.403 million / $1.612 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 149 tons, 3.7 %
Armour: 335 tons, 8.4 %
- Belts: 238 tons, 6.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 53 tons, 1.3 %
- Armour Deck: 39 tons, 1.0 %
- Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 1,227 tons, 30.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,318 tons, 33.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 949 tons, 23.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,985 lbs / 900 Kg = 9.1 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 12.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.74

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.560
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Mid (50 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 12.56 ft / 3.83 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.4 %
Waterplane Area: 8,360 Square feet or 777 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 90 lbs/sq ft or 439 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.76
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
 

Alikchi

I'm starting up as the Ottoman Empire in Navalism, here's a link to the subsection of the forum:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Navalism/index.php?showforum=39

The OE still controls Greece, Serbia, Saudi Arabia, and pretty much all of the Middle East as of 1903, and I'm working up political history and naval designs at the moment. A Constitutional Monarchy has been created under Sultan Suleiman III and Grand Vizier Mustafa Kemal. Ethnic tensions are being redirected into nationalist (that is pan-Ottoman) sentiment. As for the Navy, I really have to worry about the Habsburgs and the Russians, and they're land threats... gotta build up the army and the forts.
 
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