AH List Challenge

[Archangel Michael]

Here's some AH lists, with world leaders since 1781. What exactly is the PoD?

First Senators of the United States of America or Presidents of the United States Congress, 1779-1789
Samuel Huntington (1779-1781)
Thomas McKean (1781)
John Hanson (1781-1782)
Elias Boudinot (1782-1783)
Thomas Mifflin (1783-1784)
Richard Henry Lee (1784-1785)
John Hancock (1785-1786)
Nathaniel Gorham (1786-1787)
Arthur St. Clair (1787-1789)
Cyrus Griffin (1788-1789)

Presidents of the United States of America, 1789-present
George Washington (1789-1797) no party
John Adams (1797-1801) Federalist
Aaron Burr (1801-1809) Democratic-Republican
Thomas Jefferson (1809-1813) Democratic-Republican
James Madison (1813-1821) Democratic-Republican
James Monroe (1821-1825) Democratic-Republican
Andrew Jackson (1825-1833) Democratic-Republican
John C. Calhoun (1833-1841) Democratic
William Henry Harrison (1841-1845) Whig
James Knox Polk (1845-1850) Democratic died in office
George Dallas (1850-1853) Democratic assumed office after Polk’s death
Franklin Pierce (1853-1857) Democratic
James Buchanan (1857-1861) Democratic
William H. Seward (1861-1865) Republican assassinated
Abraham Lincoln (1865-1873) Republican assumed office after Seward’s death
William T. Sherman (1873-1877) Republican
Schuler Colfax (1877-1881) Republican
Samuel Tilden (1881-1885) Democratic
James Blaine (1885-1893) Republican
Grover Cleveland (1893) Democratic assassinated
Allen Thurman (1893-1897) Democratic assumed office after Cleveland’s death
William Jennings Bryan (1897-1901) Democratic
William McKinley (1901) Republican assassinated
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) Republican assumed office after McKinley’s death
William H. Taft (1909-1913) Republican
Theodore Roosevelt (1913-1917) Progressive
Woodrow Wilson (1917-1921) Democratic
Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) Republican died in office
Calvin Coolidge (1923-1925) Republican assumed office after Harding’s death
Robert LaFollette (1925-1929) Progressive
Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) Republican
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) Democratic died in office
Henry Wallace (1945-1949) Democratic assumed office after Roosevelt’s death
Harry S. Truman (1949-1953) Democratic
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) Republican
John F. Kennedy (1961-1965) Democratic
Lyndon B. Johnson (1965-1969) Democratic
Richard M. Nixon (1969-1974) Republican impeached
Spiro Agnew (1974-1977) Republican assumed office after Nixon’s impeachment
Eugene J. McCarthy (1977-1981) Democratic
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) Republican
George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) Republican
William J. Clinton (1993-2001) Democratic
Albert Gore (2001-) Democratic

Chancellors of the United States Congress, 1789-presnet
John Adams (1789-1785) no party
Benedict Arnold (1785-1801) Federalist
Nathaniel Macon (1801-1807) Democratic-Republican
Joseph B. Varnum (1807-1813) Democratic-Republican
Henry Clay (1813-1819) Democratic-Republican
John W. Taylor (1819-1827) Democratic-Republican
Andrew Stevenson (1827-1833) Democratic-Republican
John Bell (1833-1839) Democratic
James K. Polk (1839-1845) Democratic
George B. Dallas (1845-1850) Democratic
Robert M. T. Hunter (1850-1851) Whig
Linn Boyd (1851-1857) Democratic
James L. Orr (1857-1863) Democratic
Abraham Lincoln (1863-1865) Republican
Schuyler Colfax (1863-1869) Republican
Theodore M. Pomeroy (1869-1875) Republican
James Blaine (1875-1881) Republican
J. Warren Keifer (1881-1887) Republican
John G. Carlisle (1887-1893) Democratic
Allen Thurman (1893) Democratic
William Jennings Bryan (1893-1897) Democratic
John G. Carlisle (1897-1899) Democratic
Theodore Roosevelt (1899-1901) Republican
William H. Taft (1901-1905) Republican
Charles Fairbanks (1905-1911) Republican
Alton Parker (1911-1917) Progressive
Thomas Marshall (1917-1923) Democratic
Calvin Coolidge (1923) Republican
Eugene Debs (1923-1929) Socialist
Norman Thomas (1929-1935) Socialist
John Garner (1935-1941) Democratic
Henry Wallace (1941-1945) Democratic
Harry S. Truman (1945-1947) Democratic
Strom Thurmond (1947) Democratic resigned
Thomas Dewey (1947-1953) Republican
Richard M. Nixon (1953-1959) Republican
Lyndon B. Johnson (1959-1965) Democratic
Barry Goldwater (1965-1971) Democratic
Spiro Agnew (1971-1974) Republican
Gerald Ford (1974-1977) Republican
Jimmy Carter (1977-1983) Democratic
George H.W. Bush (1983-1989) Republican
Ron Paul (1989-1995) Libertarian
Albert Gore (1995-2001) Democratic
Winona LaDuke (2001-2004) New Reform Progressive (NRP) assassinated
Patrick Buchanan (2004-) NRP

 

[Grey Wolf]

I don't know but you appear to have a constitutional monarchy system with a president instead of a king

Grey Wolf

 

[Beck Reilly]

I don't know but you appear to have a constitutional monarchy system with a president instead of a king.

Why do you say that? It seems to me they all serve between 1 and 8 years. That's two terms in OTL, the same our Presidents are eligible to serve for. Although, I admit, too many Presidents die in office...

 

[Grey Wolf]

Why do you say that? It seems to me they all serve between 1 and 8 years. That's two terms in OTL, the same our Presidents are eligible to serve for. Although, I admit, too many Presidents die in office...

Well mainly because the term Chancellor implies a parliamentary leader who takes his power from the assembly and is subordinate to the president Also as you note the presidential terms are either cut short by death or ended by a finite service period

btw how are you ?

Grey Wolf

 

[Coriolanus]

Initially I thought the Chancellors were the Vice Presidents, but I'm not so sure. I'm assuming that these are actually Speakers of the House, or leaders of the majority party in both houses of Congress.

As for the POD, Aaron Burr's in office before his duel with Hamilton, correct? If so, then maybe the POD is that he is the VP for Adams instead of Jefferson.

 

[Archangel Michael]

Why do you say that? It seems to me they all serve between 1 and 8 years. That's two terms in OTL, the same our Presidents are eligible to serve for. Although, I admit, too many Presidents die in office...

Pretty much the same as OTL. In OTL, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and JFK were assasinated; William H. Harrison, Zachary Taylor, Harding and FDR died in office; and Nixon resigned. In TTL, we have Seward, Cleveland and McKinley assassinated; Polk, Harding, and FDR died in office; and Nixon resigned. So, actually, there's been less presidential deaths in TTL than OTL. And if you'd guys would look a little harder, you'd see Benedict Arnold as the second Chancellor. I've made a whole list with other world leaders from other nations, and I'll post that later, maybe.

 

[Coriolanus]

I totally missed Benedict Arnold's name.

I'm not quite sure what the POD is. I'm looking forward to your list of world leaders. Although I must admit, this is quite fun.

BTW, I'm speculating on something that has to due with the Revolutionary War. Or maybe a different Consititutional Convention?

 

[Archangel Michael]

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND
Kingdom of Great Britain
House of Hannover
King George III (1760-1803)
King George IV (1803-1814)

The Second Republic
Albert Cromwell (1814-1822)
William Francis Harrison (1822-1830)

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
House of Hannover, restored
King William IV (1830-1864)
Queen Victoria I (1864-1887)

House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
King Albert I (1887-1901)
King William V (1901-1910)

House of Stuart
King Edward VII (1910-1921)

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Scotland
House of Stuart
King Arthur I (1921-1936)
King Charles III (1936)
King Arthur II (1936-1949)
King James III (1949-1953)
Queen Victoria II (1953-1967)

House of Stuart-Hannover
King Charles IV (1989-)

 

[Paul Spring]

It looks like maybe the US government in this timeline is structured much like the government of the modern French 5th Republic, with both a President who is elected separately from the Legislature/Congress, and a Chancellor who is chosen by the majority party or coalition within the legislature. The two of them are often from the same political party, but sometimes they are from opposing parties. The Chancellor automatically becomes President in the event of the President's death or resignation.

The POD would have to be some time during the American Revolution to have Benedict Arnold as a Chancellor in the US government.

About the British side all I can say is that George III died a lot earlier and it looks like his son screwed up big time. A couple of quibbles though - first, how likely is it that the monarchy would be overthrown a second time and another man named Cromwell would end up in charge? Also, wouldn't the government from 1814-1830 more likely be called the "Second Commonwealth" rather than Republic?

 

[Archangel Michael]

Sorry. It would most likely be the Second Commonwealth, not republic. and close on the United States.

 

[Anthony Appleyard]

1921: England ignores the yapping of the Ulster Protestants and lets all of Ireland go free.

King Edward VII (1910-1921)
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Scotland
House of Stuart
King Arthur I (1921-1936)

"and Ireland" drops out of the title same time as King Arthur I comes to the throne. It may be that the IRA assassinated King Edward VII and that finally made England throw the towel in about Ireland. It was said OTL that Ireland, like its symbol the harp, cost more to keep it in tune than its owner got usefulness out of it.

 

[Archangel Michael]

To help you guys along, here's a new part.

ERIE
Presidents of the Erie Republic
Michael McGregor (1814-1820) Republican
Sean O’Donnell (1820-1826) Republican
Nicholas Patricks (1826-1832) Whig
Nolan O’Brian (1832-1838) Whig
James McAndrews (1838-1844) Republican
Charles O’Connor (1844-1850) Republican
Vincent Ackers (1850-1856) Republican
Ninian McGraw (1856-1862) Republican
Dwayne Kelly (1862-1868) Whig
Edan Heaton (1868-1874) Republican
Sean Fergus (1874-1880) Whig
Gerald Wibert (1880-1886) Democratic
Henry McNevin (1886-1892) Democratic
Patrick McDuff (1892-1898) Republican
Douglas Killin (1898-1904) Whig
Alan Adair (1904-1910) Whig
Andrew Bridget (1910-1914) Democratic

Empire of Erie, Emperors
House of Fitzgerald
Emperor Sean I (1914-1922)

Empire of Ireland, Emperors
House of Collins
Emperor Michael I (1922-1935)
Emperor Patrick I (1935-1954)
Emperor Patrick II (1954-1983)
Emperor Michael II (1983-2000)
Emperor Sean II (2000-)

Presidents of the Imperial Erie Oireachtas
Michael Collins (1916-1922) Fianna Fáil (FF)

Presidents of the Imperial Irish Oireachtas
Alexander Brian (1922-1928) Fianna Fáil
Olaf Fagan (1928-1932) Fine Gael (FG)
Brendan Lawley (1932-1940) Labour
Douglas Connolly (1940-1944) Fianna Fáil
Michael Lennox (1944-1947) Fine Gael assassinated
Muirne McDowell (1947-1952) Fine Gael assumed officer after Lennox’s death
Murphy Kincaid (1952-1956) Fianna Fáil
Richard Kerr (1956-1964) Fine Gael
Evan Ockley (1964-1968) Labour
Ennis O’Donald (1968-1976) Fianna Fáil
Elijah McFadden (1976-1984) Fianna Fáil
Edward Kemvss (1984-1988) Fine Gael
Sean Dunlop (1988-1996) Labour
Mary Eaton (1996-2004) Fianna Fáil
Brian Goddard (2004-) Fianna Fáil

 

[Beck Reilly]

I assume you are refering to the nation of Ireland, and not Lake Erie. If so, the proper term is Éire, which is Gallic for Ireland, not Erie.

 

[Archangel Michael]

I assume you are refering to the nation of Ireland, and not Lake Erie. If so, the proper term is Éire, which is Gallic for Ireland, not Erie.

I didn't know whether or not that special 'E' would be actually placed on the board.

 

[Beck Reilly]

I didn't know whether or not that special 'E' would be actually placed on the board.

I wasn't referring to the accented 'e'. I was referring to the spelling. It's "EIRE" not "ERIE".

 

[Coriolanus]

So Mikey, do you want to restart speculation on this?

I still haven't quite figured it out yet....any guesses?