AH dream scenerio

...And I mean that literally, as it came to me in a dream.

Basically, in said dream, the Empire of Greater Mexico had just won a stunning victory of the republics of Texas and Arizona, which it was in the process of invading. I was attending the victory celebrations at what I assume was a major government building, some sort of castle left over from the Spanish colonial era. Anyway, at that moment, the Commander of the Carribean fleet (apparently the Empire controlled most of the Caribbean basin) decided to launch a military coup, and brought a couple of battleships into the harbor of the capital city (where I was) and started bombarding the hell of out of it. To make matters worse, he then landed thousands of Afro-Caribbean soldiers in these awesome flowing orange and red uniforms. I'm guessing they were some sort of special unit, like the Askaris. Unfortunately, I woke up before I found out whether or not the coup was successful.

Anyway, I'm tempted to flesh out this scenario a bit, though I have no idea how. Any suggestions?
 
It sounds very interesting.

Well, you have a point you want to arrive at, just figure out how to make it happen plausibly.

The major points are:

-Texas and Arizona ( :confused: ) are independent republics.
-Mexico is gloriously-powerful
 

Jasen777

Donor
Have OTL California named Arizona. Then have Texas and Arizona break away from Mexico similar to how Texas did in OTL. Texas and Arizona remain independent and outside of any U.S. analogue. Then they invade Mexico at some point.
 
Eh, I may just delete Arizona from the scenario. Or consider it an area formerly under Texan control. Another I noticed was that in the victory party sequence, most of the people were white. Perhaps the Spanish ruling class is still power? Or maybe my subconscious just was too lazy to create ethnically diverse characters. Who knows.
 
?Any sense of Year in the Dream?
most of the people were white.
OTL Whe did have Irish and German Immigrants into Mexico during the Mid 1800's.
A more powerful Mexican [Iritribe remains as Emperor??] Empire, would attract a lot more European Immigrants.

Independent Texas is easy,-- If they controlled Arizona for a while then had their own Split:confused::confused:

I suppose A larger Mexico [?annex the UPCA??] Could get involved with the Cuban Revolution, and unlike the US Hold the Islands after.

Your biggest problem is ?Why the Capital would be moved to the Coast??:confused:
 
?Any sense of Year in the Dream?

OTL Whe did have Irish and German Immigrants into Mexico during the Mid 1800's.
A more powerful Mexican [Iritribe remains as Emperor??] Empire, would attract a lot more European Immigrants.

Or the Spanish Bourbons move to America during the Napoleonic Wars.

Independent Texas is easy,-- If they controlled Arizona for a while then had their own Split:confused::confused:

I suppose A larger Mexico [?annex the UPCA??] Could get involved with the Cuban Revolution, and unlike the US Hold the Islands after.

With the Spanish Bourbons in Mexico, this could account for the Carib possessions.

Your biggest problem is ?Why the Capital would be moved to the Coast??:confused:

Veracruz, the original landing site, becomes the capital?
 
Maybe as the ruling class would be drawn to an area like the Tampico oil fields or near it. It'd explain the coast thing and put the capital right in the middle of valuable real estate.
 
Wow, this took off far more then I though it would. I just though it was a cool dream, I didn't think it was actually that feasible.

I would place the setting well within the later half of the twentieth century. Armored spearheads were leading the invasion, the streets were lit by electric lights, etc. The battleships in the harbor were probably WWII era, though they simply may have been obsolete.

Veracruz would make sense, though I don't there's actually a castle there. Maleesh, that can be fixed.

I like the idea of the Spanish Bourbons. That would explain a lot of things.

I may actually flesh this out into a story. Too bad I don't know how it ends.
 

Blackwood

Banned
Just think about it as you're falling asleep. Then you can finally know whether or not the coup was successful.
 
That's a really cool dream. Perhaps there could be a great deal of illegal immigration from the United States?
 
Hmmm. Sounds like Mexico is a lot more powerful in the alt-time line than in ours. But how to get there? Well, one way to kick that off would be to have Agustín de Iturbide not sign that foolish agreement wherein the defeated Spanish Royalists were able to leave newly independent Mexico with the value of their land holdings in the form of hard currency. Since the Royalists naturally held title to most of the best land in the country, Mexico rapidly lost all of its money and was thus bankrupt from the very beginning.

As history shows, they've never really recovered from this. . .
 
Hmmm. Sounds like Mexico is a lot more powerful in the alt-time line than in ours. But how to get there? Well, one way to kick that off would be to have Agustín de Iturbide not sign that foolish agreement wherein the defeated Spanish Royalists were able to leave newly independent Mexico with the value of their land holdings in the form of hard currency. Since the Royalists naturally held title to most of the best land in the country, Mexico rapidly lost all of its money and was thus bankrupt from the very beginning.

As history shows, they've never really recovered from this. . .

This is the Spanish Bourbons thing works out so well. I actually I've got a little bit of flesh for you.

The Spanish royal family flees to Mexico just before the French invasion. The father (Charles I think) had just been overthrown by his son, which would seem to create problems. Except that only the sons make it out of Spain, dear old dad gets arrested and imprisoned by the French.

In Mexico City the Royals rule the Spanish Empire for a few years, the locals really enjoy the fact that they're playing host to the royal family (although they don't get their own kingdom ala Brazil at the same time). The Spanish royals make an alliance with the British, agreeing to end trade prohibitions in the Spanish colonial empire, and pledging support for a British invasion of Spain.

Once the war ends (on time, in the same manner) world history pretty much procedes apace. The various rebel movements in Spanish America were crushed during the royal stay in Mexico City, as the already very strong royalist forces maintain their grip on power (no "ruling the name of the king" juntas).

The First Carlist War breaks out on schedule. Carlos still loses, but now instead of fleeing elsewhere in Europe he heads for the Americas. The very conservative Royalists in the Americas have been doing their best to ignore the ongoing problems in Spain proper, and most of them support Carlos legitimitist claim on the Spanish throne. Now Carlos sets himself up in Mexico City, claiming to still be the King of Spain, and basically becomes the ruler of the Spanish Americas.

Carlos had sons, they had sons, and the Carlist Bourbon Dynasty continued. The British actually liked it, the order imposed by the Spanish authorities was welcome, and it allowed unfettered access to the American markets. In order to pay for an ill-fated expedition to retake the Spanish throne, Carlos VI (Carlos V's, the original pretender's, son) sells his North American possessions north of the the mouth of the Colorado River to the United States in 1855.
 
This is the Spanish Bourbons thing works out so well. I actually I've got a little bit of flesh for you.

(SNIP)

Hmmmm, I like it! I've been musing off and on these last few years about how to get a major or superpower South America (or at least 1st world) in the 20th Century; the above scenario may provide a workable starting point!
 
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