AH Challenge--world government

World Government Challenge

The challenge is simple—create a world government. Not an international organization like the UN or the League of Nations, but a true world state.
Use any POD you want, with this stipulation: The POD can be no earlier than 20 years before the day the government take control. If you choose a 1914 POD, then the world must be under a single government by 1934.
How early a POD can be done?
 
NHBL said:
World Government Challenge

The challenge is simple—create a world government. Not an international organization like the UN or the League of Nations, but a true world state.
Use any POD you want, with this stipulation: The POD can be no earlier than 20 years before the day the government take control. If you choose a 1914 POD, then the world must be under a single government by 1934.
How early a POD can be done?
Does it have to fully countrol the entire planet within that first twenty years?
 

Darkest

Banned
Nazis find Atlantis in the days before the breakout of the Second World War, thwart Dr. Jones and utilize Atlantean orichalcum-powered technology.

Now imagine the Second World War, only fighting takes place across the entire globe, with little resistance against the Nazis. The Allies manage to nuke Atlantis, cutting off orichalcum production, but the worst is done. Nazi agents are beginning to harness psychic energies, robotic fighters roam the world crushing insurgents, and all non-Aryans are subjected to cruel body-warping experiments to breed a ruthless race of slave-warriors.

Oh wait... thats a little ASB. My bad.
 
20 years to take over the world would require a military take over so yes not possible in the long term.
The only way I can see a world government reasonably in the past would be from no American Revolution and Britain gradually uniting the world in a great big liberal love in.- the only form of a united world that can work is in fact if you look at a map utterly disunited.
 
maybe after WW3 wipes out 99% of earth's population, people will agree that they need to get together under one unified authority.
 
Only after a global disaster would anything resembling a world government work.
If disease swept through and reduced the population substantially it might be feasible.
What kind of world government would you foresee?
A dictatorship?
(I don't think any other form of government would work. To keep on track we would need strong central leadership)
 
Only after FTL star travel is achieved

If it were possible to travel to other star systems, cheaply and easily as it would be today for someone to emmigrate from say Germany to Australia, and if there were numerous other worlds to go to, then yes!

When that happens, the teeney weeney micro governments favored by so many today will not have the economic impact needed to compete or participate. Certainly a micro-nation wouldn't have the finances to defend it'self either.

New "colony" worlds would be most likely to develope under one government on each world. This would be especially true if there are a LOT of potential worlds out there.

After there has been a whole series of functioning, independant world government type former colonies in other star systems, those people too quarellsome, bloody mindered, or independant to be willing to tolerate something approaching a "world government" here, will have ample alternatives.

Until, and unless something like this happens, there will be no "world government" here on Earth Besides, one there is a sizeable population of humans, liveing elsewhere in the galaxy, military power will also shift to those worlds,

Since a planet, especially EArth, rotates in an orbit, it would be hard for multiple, independant military forces to defend orbital space around a planet

Whoever was able to creat a military dominace in orbital space, over planet Earth, will be able to control the planet by default. Under those circumstances, teeney weeney micro countries, no matter how fierciely independant they are, are going to be in deep trouble, if the dominant power isn't "friendly".
 

Hendryk

Banned
JLCook said:
Whoever was able to creat a military dominace in orbital space, over planet Earth, will be able to control the planet by default. Under those circumstances, teeney weeney micro countries, no matter how fierciely independant they are, are going to be in deep trouble, if the dominant power isn't "friendly".
If we're going to take a SF approach, then I suppose the "conquest from the fringe" (à la Alexander or Ying Zheng) may work. A colony on one of the solar system's other planets develops to the point of superpowerdom thanks to there being no political impediments to its harnessing the entire planet's resources, and then annexes to itself the petty, squabbling countries of Earth.

But, frankly, I don't think we need to go that far into the future.

Johnestauffer said:
What kind of world government would you foresee?
A dictatorship?
(I don't think any other form of government would work. To keep on track we would need strong central leadership)
Unlike most people, I am of the opinion that a world government could be democratic. If it works for India, it can work for the entire planet.
 

Thande

Donor
Well, I will point at the approach I take in MOONSTRUCK (advertising! ;) ). Namely, that a world government will form when there is a credible external threat, such as an alien power or perhaps just a series of natural disasters like imminent asteroid impacts, and it becomes a priority for the planet to act in concert.

However, in the MOONSTRUCK TL I also have the threat (in this case an alien power) eventually be pushed back until it can only threaten the outer Human colonies and not Earth, at which point the united Earth government gradually disintegrates from absence of external pressure to unite against.
 
Being Whimsical

In the late 19th century the League of Extraordinary Empires is formed. In reaction to the dire menace of Feminist Socialists it decides it must take over the entire planet to save civilization.
 
Alexander, shortly before getting the illness killing him IOTL, decides to manage everything from Athens instead - there were enough competent men in his army.

A few of his officers turn out to be equally gifted, and achieve similar results by applying similar methods - training, observation of the enemy, developing counter measures, integrating the local populace, and so on. The officers usually get the territories they conquer as kingdoms, and help junior officers to become equally successful officers - who wants to live in border territory?

They accept Alexander as their emperor, accept laws made in Athens, and make sure only loyal people succeed them by establishing some kind of school/military career via Athens. It becomes fashion in Greece and surrounding areas to send the kids to military school so that they become King of some country.

If Alexander managed to conquer practically the whole Middle East in 20 years, and only a few of his officers prove to be of only fairly the same quality, conquering Europe, India, North Africa, and so on in another 5 years should be possible - especially as there will be no travelling back and forth by the officers or even the whole army anymore.

The Greek also try to cartograph the world (2nd Pod, sorry), partly for knowing the enemy, partly for finding new land to conquer, partly out of curiosity. They send merchant ships all around the world. Small isles are taken by the colonists and soldiers on board, larger ones are taken later by reinforcements.

Scandinavia, Iceland, east and west Africa, north west Asia, Indochina, and Kasachstan are conquered in the next 5 years.

The plundered goods from the conquests and a part of the tax revenue are used to finance mercenaries for new armies by all the wannabe kings.

By chance, America is discovered meanwhile (3rd PoD, but a probable result of the 2nd PoD). Later, Australia and Antarctica are also discovered.

In Kasachstan, the Greek learn to use horses more efficiently (4th, but not unlikely PoD - despite small horses at the time), thus having new tactics available, and a much higher speed. With a mobile army much earlier than IOTL, China crumbles even more easily than against the later Mongols. Also, most of the rest of Africa can more easily be conquered.

Horses are then also used to overpower the American people. Small colonies there, in Australia, and in other parts of the world claim the whole isles/continents for Alexander. The few blank spots on the map are quickly filled.

A world government is established 20 years after the PoD - 40 years after Alexander began the conquest.
 
The movie "Independence Day" happens. One year after the aliens are defeated, the United States of Earth is declared:D
 
JLCook-
Military power?
By the time we get onto FTL travel and all that I think we'd be beyond such things.
 
Leej said:
Military power?
By the time we get onto FTL travel and all that I think we'd be beyond such things.
I think a British Empire world would satisfy this if we didn't have that twenty-year rule in efect.
 
What if there is a longer WWII with a POD begining in the 1940. Somehow both the Nazis and Soviets secretly discover nukes and start nuking everyone. The After the Soviets and the Nazis are destroyed, and we have a world where Europe is a nuclear wasteland. Since any plan of reform such as the OTL Marshall Plan is impossible, UK and US get together and annex Europe claiming that an integrated economy and government is the only way order can be restored. A Federalist Government is created out of the 1946 annexations, and it consists of all combatants (even hapless victims) of WWII and their colonies. Since the Soviet Union is no longer around, Mao is the target of the next war, which the alliance wins. In 1955, Mexico, Greece and Turkey becomes the first non-combatant countries to Join the Unified Feferal Government, which has allowed a miraculous recovery of Eurasia. By 1966, it can be considered a "World Government"
 
JLCook said:
If it were possible to travel to other star systems, cheaply and easily as it would be today for someone to emmigrate from say Germany to Australia, and if there were numerous other worlds to go to, then yes!

When that happens, the teeney weeney micro governments favored by so many today will not have the economic impact needed to compete or participate. Certainly a micro-nation wouldn't have the finances to defend it'self either.

New "colony" worlds would be most likely to develope under one government on each world. This would be especially true if there are a LOT of potential worlds out there.

After there has been a whole series of functioning, independant world government type former colonies in other star systems, those people too quarellsome, bloody mindered, or independant to be willing to tolerate something approaching a "world government" here, will have ample alternatives.

Until, and unless something like this happens, there will be no "world government" here on Earth Besides, one there is a sizeable population of humans, liveing elsewhere in the galaxy, military power will also shift to those worlds,

Since a planet, especially EArth, rotates in an orbit, it would be hard for multiple, independant military forces to defend orbital space around a planet

Whoever was able to creat a military dominace in orbital space, over planet Earth, will be able to control the planet by default. Under those circumstances, teeney weeney micro countries, no matter how fierciely independant they are, are going to be in deep trouble, if the dominant power isn't "friendly".

I think you should take a look at the 2300 AD RPG universe. That isn't the case, and it's handled plausibly.

Then again, they've barely recovered from the Twilight War, so...

Maybe the above doesn't count...the below does, though.

So...kind of like how the Galactic Terran Alliance came about?
 
Patton gets his wish and USA DOW's Stalinist USSR. The US/western allies adopt a defensive posture along a couple of rivers and lets its overwhelming air superiority bomb the soviet communications into a shambles (milirary def'n of commmunications - signals, transport, etc) until USA gets its nukes on-line.

A few well placed mushroom clouds and Stalin sues for peace.

Meanwhile, the Nazi's 'final solution' is exposed for all to see. Perhaps the american leadership (all of it) tours some concentration camps and vows 'never again'.

The USA declares a one world government version of the Atlantic charter (a thinly disguised 'Pax Americana'), and the war-weary world falls in line, witha few holdouts for a decade or so until the 'world common market's boycotts force them into the world government.

There may have been a 45-47 window for this to work.
 
My thoughts...

Here's one option: The USA stays out of the Great War, and when the influenza outbreak occurs, promptly enacts a strict quarintine. The warring nations refuse to make peace, and the plague sweeps Europe. When the plague dies off, (or while it's still raging)the USA (either in a spirit of charity, or a greedy grab for everything it can pry loose) sends help--and ends up governing Europe. Any nation governing from California to Siberia could easily end up running the world.

Thinking about it, 20 years likely was too short a span--perhaps trying 30 or 40 years . My object in choosing the time frame was simply to have a recognisable world when the world government took over.
 
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