AH Challenge : Turkish Dodecanese !

"Turkish" as in "Republic of Turkey", 'cause Ottomans ain't no Turkish nationals ;)

With a PoD no earlier than 1935, make Dodecanese by annexed into Republic of Turkey by 1955 at the latest.

However, if you'd choose a post WWII PoD, then Turkey can get it in anytime before 1990. The sooner the better, though, and personally with this kind of PoD I'd like to see Turkey has it already by 1965 but I'll leave it to the takers.
 
Brushed by an ASB: Greece goes communist and Turkey intervenes with Western support?

Why not ? Communist Greece is possible indeed.

Yes, I have no objection with making Greece communist in order to achieve. But your points will be higher without it ;) Isn't it easier to screw Greece compared to Turkey anyway ?
 
Is 1935 too late for Greece to have gone Axis? After all, Metaxas was pretty much a fascist. With both an Axis Greece and an Axis Italy, plus a Turkey that goes Allied several years earlier than IOTL, I think you have the situation you need. Axis Greece might well lead to Allied Turkey, especially if the Germans try and pull a Crete (alt-Unternehmen Merkur) on Cyprus, resulting in a sizable Turkish population under Nazi rule.

The trick is how to get an Axis Greece- they need to believe that British interests are more opposed to Greek ones than Italian interests are.
Another problem in Cyprus, perhaps? Britain behaving differently in one of Greece's interwar border disputes? Possibly a British general is sent to arbitrate the Albanian border instead of Tellini, resulting in a British occupation of Corfu- but that seems unlikely...
 
Bump.

The most desirable option for me personally though, actually for Turkey to gain Dodecanese with post-1945 PoD(s), or at least post-1942 PoD(s). That'll be harder, I know, hence the OP. But I'll be frank that I'm still curious....
 
Is 1935 too late for Greece to have gone Axis? After all, Metaxas was pretty much a fascist. With both an Axis Greece and an Axis Italy, plus a Turkey that goes Allied several years earlier than IOTL, I think you have the situation you need. Axis Greece might well lead to Allied Turkey, especially if the Germans try and pull a Crete (alt-Unternehmen Merkur) on Cyprus, resulting in a sizable Turkish population under Nazi rule.

The trick is how to get an Axis Greece- they need to believe that British interests are more opposed to Greek ones than Italian interests are.
Another problem in Cyprus, perhaps? Britain behaving differently in one of Greece's interwar border disputes? Possibly a British general is sent to arbitrate the Albanian border instead of Tellini, resulting in a British occupation of Corfu- but that seems unlikely...

Weren't the Dodecanese Italian until after WW2? In that situation you could just have Turkey join the war on the Allied side at some point and make some solid gains. IIRC Turkey was on fairly friendly relations with the USSR, and Bulgaria was not especially interested in antagonising the Turks. Given Churchill's prediliction for Balkan adventurism, I think you could see quite substantial Commonwealth forces being allocated to a force in Turkey. The best bet would probably be the Turks having frostier relations with the Nazi regime through the 30s, and then being drawn in to the wider European war due to, say, objection to the invasion of either Yugoslavia or the USSR. I don't think it's a particularly realistic position for the Turkish Republic to take, but it does strike me as the best way for Turkey to snaffle the Dodecanese. IMO if Greece ever gets hold of them, they'll never let go and will have world opinion in their favour.
 
Weren't the Dodecanese Italian until after WW2? In that situation you could just have Turkey join the war on the Allied side at some point and make some solid gains. IIRC Turkey was on fairly friendly relations with the USSR, and Bulgaria was not especially interested in antagonising the Turks. Given Churchill's prediliction for Balkan adventurism, I think you could see quite substantial Commonwealth forces being allocated to a force in Turkey. The best bet would probably be the Turks having frostier relations with the Nazi regime through the 30s, and then being drawn in to the wider European war due to, say, objection to the invasion of either Yugoslavia or the USSR. I don't think it's a particularly realistic position for the Turkish Republic to take, but it does strike me as the best way for Turkey to snaffle the Dodecanese. IMO if Greece ever gets hold of them, they'll never let go and will have world opinion in their favour.
They were, but with a majority-Greek population. They are unlikely to go to Turkey if Greece is allied. Your post is a good way to get an allied Turkey, but we still need Greece to go Axis- possibly a disagreement with Turkey, but this may not be enough. With Metaxas, though, it may be.
 
They were, but with a majority-Greek population. They are unlikely to go to Turkey if Greece is allied. Your post is a good way to get an allied Turkey, but we still need Greece to go Axis- possibly a disagreement with Turkey, but this may not be enough. With Metaxas, though, it may be.

Yes and no. If, at the conclusion of the fighting in Europe, Turkey occupies the Dodecanese and isn't interested in leaving, there is some potential for them staying. While the islands were mainly Greek, they hadn't been held by Greece since its independence, iirc, which makes them fair game for a transfer. Turkey's friendly relationship with the USSR leaves them with a potential backer here, as the USSR could support Turkey's claims in exchange for Turkish support for Soviet control, direct or indirect, over northern Iran or parts thereof. Soviet support would go a long way towards stopping the Western Allies forcing Turkey out, and threats of Soviet support for the Greek Communists could quell Allied support for the Greeks. Greece isn't really in a position to be demanding anything postwar, given that they have a civil war to fight. This would entail a Turkey which is fairly Soviet-aligned, though, but that isn't totally out of the question - I could see a Finlandised Turkey here, rather than another Soviet puppet.

I cannot see Fascist Italy and Metaxas's Greece on the same side in any war, to be honest. If both sign on to the Pact of Steel then Germany will have its work cut out for it trying to keep them apart. Italy made no bones about their territorial and political ambitions towards Greece pre-war, and the Greeks were well aware of this. A part of the reasoning behind the Greek leaning towards the Nazis was the idea of using Germany as a counterbalance to the Italians - Germany and Italy didn't really get along too well until the mid-late 30s. A neutral Italy is possible - just have Mussolini not get involved during the Battle of France - but that may butterfly away the significance of the Balkans, with both Yugoslavia and Greece remaining officially neutral but pro-German. An Allied Italy is possible with a POD in the early 30s, but the butterflies would be very significant again.
 
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