AH Challenge: The Sun Never Sets on the Spanish Empire

[maverick]

Most of what I had was in Spanish but you have:


In English

On the School of Salamanca: http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/schools/salamanca.htm
Economic theories: http://www.economictheories.org/2008/08/school-of-salamanca-middle-years.html
Domingo de Soto and Galileo: http://journals.cambridge.org/actio...5261583359.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=805892
Political theory: http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/cssrIX/Article--Fastiggi.pdf
On Luis de Molina: http://www.nd.edu/~afreddos/papers/molina.htm
Business Ethics: http://www.springerlink.com/content/q3351820k1475247/
Human Rights: http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/3/4/8/pages63481/p63481-1.php
The 1550 Controversy: http://www.jstor.org/pss/2508897
Impact of the Controversy: http://www.casahistoria.net/japanchristaincentury.pdf
De Indis et de Iure Belli Relectiones: http://www.constitution.org/victoria/victoria_.htm


In Spanish

Jeronimo de Ayanz and his steam machine: http://www1.us.es/pautadatos/publico/personal/pdi/1555/2214/vaporyAyanz.pdf
Liberal thinking: http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Termes00.pdf
Domingo de Soto and Galileo: http://www.aceprensa.com/articulos/1994/feb/02/la-herencia-que-recibi-galileo/
Science and Engineering: http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=123123
Taxes: http://descargas.cervantesvirtual.com/servlet/SirveObras/01604529325693902900035/023661.pdf?incr=1
Francisco de Suarez and the Fundamental Orders: http://web.iese.edu/RTermes/acer/acer275.htm

Hmmmm....esto prodria ser util para despues...

 

[Dan1988]

I could see the Inquisition working in favor of Spain both ways. Of course, instead of completely eliminating it altogether, you could just have the Spanish declare the Iberian and their Caribbean colonies "sanctified" or something like that, and must only be for good, Catholic citizens.

Why am I getting vibes of New France from this?

 

[maverick]

The very idea of an Inquisition. If you have an easier way of ending with the 13th century Aragonese Inquisition, I want to hear it.



I was only speculating about how to vanish the Inquisition, not saying that the effects of vanishing the Inquisition were related with this challenge. In fact, I was saying the opposite, and I agree completely with you in that point. I really don't understand your objection.

How to vanish the Inquisition?

Maybe in the same way they vanished the Jesuits...

The King can be convinced that the Inquisition is linked to a foreign power/enemy political faction/ disgraced politician/ traitorous factions...and then they can just be expelled...

you of course need either Roman conscent or an anti-Papist King, like Carlos I when he sacked Rome...or Felipe V...

Of course, vanishing the Jesuits was a bad idea and it fucked up the religious outlook of the time (although I'm mostly referring to the war in the Jesuitic reductions in South America, since the Jesuits were the only ones at the time willing to civilize the area and treat the natives like human beigns)...

Getting rid of the Inquisition will not create a better world...but it would be interesting...

 

[Gonzaga]

Hmmmm....esto prodria ser util para despues...

Agreed. Condottiero has extracted gold...

 

[boredatwork]

I broadly agree with your post, but I thought I'd quibble with this bit. Being focused on extracting reventue isn't the most business-minded approach a government can take.

This paper, for example, shows the negative effects of heavy taxes on city formation - and, by extension, economic activity - in Europe. Which ties in with the subject of this thread.

As a fellow of classical liberal / libertarian leanings myself, whole-heartedly agreed. However the other poster (who may have left the thread, for better or worse) apparently was of the opinion that Spain conquered central america (and only central america) in a spasm of relgio-sadistic excess. Which, is, to put it mildly, a bit distorted.

 

[Tobit]

I have read the thread to some extent and to invigorate debate I have to say I disagree with the idea that the Habsburgs were bad for Spain. OK I don't quite think the Habsburgs were totally ideal but they provided Spain with an European empire that though costly was important for opening Spain to the rest of the world. The kind of marriage politics that they represented were important for the time because they meant the destruction of insular society. Because of the Habsburgs the Spanish nobility would travel and learn as they were married around, the same would go for the Spanish merchants. I think that for spain to be ideally organized foreign monarchs from Italy and perhaps the burgundian house including the low countries would bring important lands under the control of Spain. The problem was that the absolute control of the holy roman empire seems to have stretched the Spanish to far.

 

[SilverPhantom2]

These links are gold and these ideas are better.

Sorry about my last post, I didn't have a terrible time to think a lot. Especially with a girl talking to me while trying to pay half-attention to her.

As for the British and French colonies: to say that there aren't any mulattos in either of them is incredibly inaccurate. Where do you think the Creoles came from in New Orleans? In fact, the French were probably the MOST inter-married of all the European Empires and the native populations.

Although I can see where you're coming from. I have to wonder though if the excessive Native populations and mulattos in Latin American nations isn't the product of two other things:

1. The disorder of Latin American governments and "Pan-Latin American" feeling towards their own nationalism once Spain's colonies revolted in the 1820s.

2. The fact that Spaniards are pretty dark, which could have easily mixed in for a blended shade of skin with the native population once a more national feeling erupted in the colonies.

Just theories. Still, the Spaniards worked the Natives to death, that's for certain.

 

[Dan1988]

As for the British and French colonies: to say that there aren't any mulattos in either of them is incredibly inaccurate. Where do you think the Creoles came from in New Orleans? In fact, the French were probably the MOST inter-married of all the European Empires and the native populations.

That sounds like how the Métis were formed - Frenchman goes out into the interior looking for fur, falls in love with a native girl, and the rest is history. In addition, there are some Métis out there that speak Michif - a hybrid of both French and Cree.

 

[Condottiero]

It was a different vision. For the spanish and to a lesser extent the french amerindians were more humans (and thus subject to economic exploitation). After the conquest of Mexico many local noblemen recived titles and properties from the spanish crown, some even became writers, clerics and even militiamen... but that does not mean that like in Spain proper where there were also writers, priests and militiamen the lower classes were bled white.

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I'll have a look on Sam's review, it seems interesting.


Maybe we could have a repository of this sort of documentation...