AH Challenge: The Philippines is a Us state

wormyguy

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I can think of no conceivable reason why anyone in the US or the Philippines would want to be a US state with a post-1900 POD. It might well be advantageous for the Philippines if they were a US state, but I think that Filipinos would not really go for that argument.
 
Give Filiponos US citizenship in the same manner that Puerto Ricans receive citizenship. Post World War II you could have the statehood movement catch fire in desiring not repeat the mistakes of WWII.
 
Then Ferdie might become a Republican POTUS.:cool: That would be somewhat like Duplessis in Quebec IOTL or a possible Marcosian RFK in wolfpaw's TL. With the US system, we won't see a repeat of OTL. But guaranteed one impeachment attempt.
 
It'd be the state with the largest population and lowest income. They would certainly be subsidized by the rest of us.
 

FDW

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Wouldn't be likely that the Philippines would be split into multiple states if it joined the union?
 
Wouldn't be likely that the Philippines would be split into multiple states if it joined the union?

If it is split, which I'm not sure it would be, it'd be split into at most three, though I figure probably more like two, with the the 'State of the Philippines' comprising Luzon and Visayas and the 'State of Mindanao' comprised of the Mindanao island group.
 
Wouldn't be likely that the Philippines would be split into multiple states if it joined the union?

Splitting the Philippines would actually give the region more clout via more Senate seats and thus more electoral votes.
 

yourworstnightmare

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Sounds like ASB though, you'd need to have US being reluctant to let the Philipines get even nominal independence, and keep that situation to the 60s, the earliest date the US would even consider giving statehood to a territory with Catholic Asian majority.
 

Dure

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Catholic, Spanish speaking AND brown! The only way the USA would take the Phillipines as a state would be if the American pacification of the Phillipines were at least two orders of magnitude more genocidal than it actually was. Scorched earth followed by plantation.
 
ASB

I'd have to say ASB for the reasons already stated above. Filipinos were, and still are, stubborn about sovereignty and independence, even if US statehood meant a likelier chance for a higher standard of living. From the American POV, I don't think they'd be interested either considering how far we were to the mainland not only culturally but geographically, too. Guam is as probably as far as the US would get, and this would be easier to control because of the extremely lower population compared to the Philippines. I dunno, we just seem too far, in the whole sense of the word, from the mainland.

Although there is something to Puerto Rican-style statehood. Weren't they also Catholic, Spanish-speaking, and brown?

Dure said:
Catholic, Spanish speaking AND brown! The only way the USA would take the Phillipines as a state would be if the American pacification of the Phillipines were at least two orders of magnitude more genocidal than it actually was. Scorched earth followed by plantation.

If you mean somewhere near the beginning of the century, then yes. But the Philippines became less and less Spanish-speaking as the years went by, and today the typical Filipino you'd meet wouldn't know an inkling of Spanish, save for diffusion of several words to our own language.

And isn't there already a thread about this?

EDIT: ok found it https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=133559
 
Although there is something to Puerto Rican-style statehood. Weren't they also Catholic, Spanish-speaking, and brown?
Catholic and Spanish-speaking, yes. As for race, boricuas are much more complicated.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...me=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U

According to the 2000 census, some 80% described themselves as "White." Although the true figure is likely half that, calling them all "brown" (Mestizo) is a simplification that ignores the White and Black populations.

I'm a Physical Anthropology nerd so I read about these things :D
 
Catholic, Spanish speaking AND brown! The only way the USA would take the Phillipines as a state would be if the American pacification of the Phillipines were at least two orders of magnitude more genocidal than it actually was. Scorched earth followed by plantation.

The Catholic thing would stop being an issue after awhile. See Kennedy.

However, I would agree with the latter point--if enough Filipinos are killed in the insurrection and enough Americans settle there, the demographics would be more favorable to statehood than independence.
 
Yes, but Kennedy would be supplanted by someone infinitely more sinister: Ferdinand E. Marcos (R-PI). Now combine him with wolfpaw's RFK as AG... :cool: I will say no more.
President Ferdinand Marcos (R-PI) Jan. 20, 1965- Jan. 20, 1973

I WANT YOU FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

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