AH Challenge: Russian controlled Pan-Malay State or just the Philippines

Well, what about escalating the Russian-Manchu Border conflict? Say if it breaks out into a full blown war, the Tsardom would have no choice but to participate in the escalating border conflict.

Can't be done. Russia was only able to send 2k men IOTL and I bet they could not spare more at the time. I say the 1680s or 1690s can Russia have a prayer; even then we would need an expert on Russian geography and history. I suppose an escalation could be the PoD to swing Russia's interests, but it will never be more than a slightly softer Russian defeat.
 
Can't be done. Russia was only able to send 2k men IOTL and I bet they could not spare more at the time. I say the 1680s or 1690s can Russia have a prayer. I suppose an escalation could be the PoD to swing Russia's interests, but it will never be more than a slightly softer Russian defeat.

1680s, we could have Russia ally with the Zunghar Khanate and launch a war against the Qing, but yeah it could end up with a Russian defeat. I believe the turning point could be the Oirat-Manchu War since in OTL the Zunghar Khanate and Russia defeated the Khalkha armies. 1690s, we could have Peter the Great expand his shipbuilding hobby into the Pacific. (Not personally, of course. He could send some experienced shipbuilders from European Russia into the Pacific)
 
Here's the map with all but South America.

World in 1820

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So in this timeline Russia no longer obsess about the access to the Mediterrenean Sea and the Indian Ocean now that they got a colony in SE Asia, right?

I also forgot, the USA won't exist in this timeline, right?
 
By the way, would the Russians rename the Philippines to a name that's more suitable to their culture? (in the Russian culture, of course) I've also looked at the map, and wondered if Japan would be a French protectorate without Hokkaido.
 
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Would the Ottoman Empire still survive or collapse in a different way? I'm not sure which events would I have to butterfly as a result of Russia controlling the Philippines.
 
I also have a question: Would it be possible to eestablish Russian Philippines as a colony for adventure seeking Cossacks, if it's possible?
 
Okay, I know you're new here, so you wouldn't know this, but please edit your posts so you down double/triple/quadruple/quintuple/etc post. Now I'll try to answer these one by one.

This is good. This is the world by 1820, right? So I'm guessing that France got most of North America, India, Indochina and parts of Japan, right? What happens to Central Asia?

Yes, yes. And CA is up for grabs. With Russian attention to the west, all other fronts are on the back burner.

In this timeline, would Russia just leave the Caucasus and Central Asia to their own devices?

No, it is just not powerful enough in the European scope to take on an Ottoman Empire (whose arch enemy, Russia, is looking the other way).

So in this timeline Russia no longer obsess about the access to the Mediterrenean Sea and the Indian Ocean now that they got a colony in SE Asia, right?

I also forgot, the USA won't exist in this timeline, right?

Well, it has less power projection to the west to get to the Mediterranean. We don't want this to be an end all/be all Russiawank, do we?
And not as we know it we wont.

By the way, would the Russians rename the Philippines to a name that's more suitable to their culture? (in the Russian culture, of course) I've also looked at the map, and wondered if Japan would be a French protectorate without Hokkaido.

It may have phonetic changes, but would still resemble the "Philippines".
Japan is under the French and Dutch Sphere of Influence.

Would the Ottoman Empire still survive or collapse in a different way? I'm not sure which events would I have to butterfly as a result of Russia controlling the Philippines.

The Ottomans would be more powerful with Russia looking East instead of West.

I also have a question: Would it be possible to eestablish Russian Philippines as a colony for adventure seeking Cossacks, if it's possible?

I don't know what you mean.
 
Okay, I know you're new here, so you wouldn't know this, but please edit your posts so you down double/triple/quadruple/quintuple/etc post. Now I'll try to answer these one by one.



Yes, yes. And CA is up for grabs. With Russian attention to the west, all other fronts are on the back burner.



No, it is just not powerful enough in the European scope to take on an Ottoman Empire (whose arch enemy, Russia, is looking the other way).



Well, it has less power projection to the west to get to the Mediterranean. We don't want this to be an end all/be all Russiawank, do we?
And not as we know it we wont.



It may have phonetic changes, but would still resemble the "Philippines".
Japan is under the French and Dutch Sphere of Influence.



The Ottomans would be more powerful with Russia looking East instead of West.



I don't know what you mean.

Would the Ottoman Empire survive through World War One with Russia looking the other way? So without the USA as a major power down the road, would France and Russia be rivals in the world stage? Would the Ottoman Empire attempt to colonize any parts of the world, now that it only has France and the Netherlands as competitors?

Also, can I make a suggestion on the map detail? Could the Russians could just settle for all of the former Spanish East Indies, all of New Guinea and its surrounding islands and the Marianas? They would have to give up their territory in Indochina and a bit of Borneo in exchange. That would just stabilize the balance of power between the Dutch and the Russians. That could be my suggestion for the map.

Also, would German reunification happen in this timeline, or would the German states remain fragmented? As for Europe, it would be sensible and practical to have Poland survive as a nation, but I'm not sure if Lithuania should still be a partner with Poland, which would have to include half or all of Belarus and half of Ukraine, and still have parts or all of Estonia and Latvia.
 
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Would the Ottoman Empire survive through World War One with Russia looking the other way? So without the USA as a major power down the road, would France and Russia be rivals in the world stage? Would the Ottoman Empire attempt to colonize any parts of the world, now that it only has France and the Netherlands as competitors?

Also, can I make a suggestion on the map detail? Could the Russians could just settle for all of the former Spanish East Indies, all of New Guinea and its surrounding islands and the Marianas? They would have to give up their territory in Indochina and a bit of Borneo in exchange. That would just stabilize the balance of power between the Dutch and the Russians. That could be my suggestion for the map.

Also, would German reunification happen in this timeline, or would the German states remain fragmented? As for Europe, it would be sensible and practical to have Poland survive as a nation, but I'm not sure if Lithuania should still be a partner with Poland, which would have to include half or all of Belarus and half of Ukraine, and still have parts or all of Estonia and Latvia.

There is no such thing as WWI. There will no doubt be a first World War, but there is no way of determining how it begins, what the politics of it are, or how it will turn out in this part of the TL's progress.

There is no "down the road" at this point in the this part of the TL's progress. All we have now are the "Great Powers". Who are Russia, France, Austria, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, Sweden, and arguably the Netherlands.

Based on the Russians giving up possessions, it's your TL and I will change it how you see fit.

Only time will tell whether Germany unifies or not. Remember, this is only 1820.

I can't see Poland Lithuania surviving, but again, it's your TL, I will change it as you see fit.
 
There is no such thing as WWI. There will no doubt be a first World War, but there is no way of determining how it begins, what the politics of it are, or how it will turn out in this part of the TL's progress.

There is no "down the road" at this point in the this part of the TL's progress. All we have now are the "Great Powers". Who are Russia, France, Austria, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, Sweden, and arguably the Netherlands.

Based on the Russians giving up possessions, it's your TL and I will change it how you see fit.

Only time will tell whether Germany unifies or not. Remember, this is only 1820.

I can't see Poland Lithuania surviving, but again, it's your TL, I will change it as you see fit.

Even if I want this TL to be made the way I see fit, I have to avoid the pitfalls of having some events in my TL end up as an ASB. So the map's almost done, right? Anyways, you're right on leaving Central Asia the way it is, though OTL Kazakhstan will inevitably fall under Russia's influence. How do we make the TL though?
 
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I haven't worked on it anymore. I feel like it is not needed yet. If you intend on releasing this as a TL, I would suggest no map updates made public before the TL begins.
 
Just to let you know, I'll transfer my last two posts out of this thread, and into a new thread. If you want to read more, just click on this link.
 
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Would a Russian Empire be the same without Ukraine and Belarus? I'm not sure if it can still function as an empire. In The Bear Migrates to the Pacific, I'm contemplating having Ukraine take the role as OTL Russia, except that it will focus entirely in Europe, leaving ATL Russia free to pursue its goals in Asia.
 
I think the Romanovs could support the Bolkiah claims in the Philippines and turn them into puppets after they gained the Philippines.
 
Guys, I may have to restart The Bear Migrates to the Pacific because I can't seem to edit it for some odd reason. Even worse, I don't know how to delete my own thread. Also, can you guys come up with a better title other than the one above? I need a catchy title to attract more readers. Thanks.
 
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