Ah Challenge: Pot Legalization and Anti-tobacco movements united

Straha

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What are some good ways to get a scenario whith a POD post 1933 where the pro-Marijuana legalizing and anti-tobacco lobbies(I have this happening in the For Want of A Carter TL I'm working on right now which has a POD in the nixon administration which leads to Carter being assasinated with lots of changes begining from there)(this really could happen with the millenial generation I mean 80% or more of the kids at my high school have done it...)

some things for the TL

1 the legalization of marijuana, the anti-tobacco and *bonus* temperence/MADD/evangelizal types working together(420 points)
2 the legalization movement has more strengh/suceeded(100 points)
3 the war on drugs is the same for all the other drugs *bonus* if you extend it ot have tobacco/alcohol banned by the year 2001(10 points and a 200 bonus for banning tobacco/alcohol)
4 Marijuana being touted as a safer alternative than tobacco or alcohol(Iv;e been in the car with stoned drivers before and its nowhere near as bad as drunk drivers)(20 points)

bonus points if you get these in it

6 Hemp-based drinks being promoted as an alternative to alcohol
7 Public laws against smoking tobacco and drinking alcohol in many public building but lesser laws against marijuana usage than for tobacco(25 points)
8 tobacco is looked down upon to a degree that makes OTL seem utopic for tobacco smokers(5 points)
9 lesser taxes on weed than on booze/tobacco if weed is legal(10 poinys)
10 The religious right,the marijuana legalizing movement,the anti-tobacco movement and MADD lead a million man protest march on Washington DC(50 points)
11 Alcohol or tobacco are banned in some way(10 points for each)
12 Jerry Falwell/John Ashcroft/Pat Robertson/Oral Roberts going live on TV and lighting up a joint and condemming alcohol and tobacco(5000 points)
13 Pro-Marijuana people urging that the war on drugs be expanded and made more harsh for the other drugs(100 points)
 
Is it just me or does this seam to be a running theme of surfnturfstraha?
Just Joking, to each his own i say. But back on topic maybe if the people who owned all the paper mills hadn't pushed to have hemp made illegal because of the one offshoot that can be smoked we would have more hemp growing and have hemp ropes, clothing and other assorted hemp products
 
just why are the evangelical and temperance people lined up with the pro-marijuana people? The first two seem more like they would be in opposition to the last one.
"nowhere near as bad as drunk drivers"?!?!? You're using that as an endorsement? Like it or not, marijuana DOES impair your reflexes, perhaps not as bad as alcohol (which I don't know for sure and I'm not accepting as a fact), but it's still way more than it should be. Driving while stoned is just as stupid as driving drunk. Marijuana is NOT safer than tobacco while driving.
Last year, the company I work for initiated a random drug testing policy on it's warehouse workers, and found that 1/3 (!) of them were testing positive for illegal drugs, with marijuana being one of the biggies. These idiots were driving forklifts, moving heavy boxes around, etc.... want to work around someone who's stoned and driving a forklift? You are never going to convince me that marijuana is harmless......
 
David Howery PLEASE! just b/c someone tests positive on random drug tests does NOT mean that they are high while AT work, there is no correlating evidence proving that whatsoever.
 
Cow> you sure about that? That doesn't jive with what they told us.... I know they are able to tell if someone has trace amounts from weeks ago or if they are high at the time of testing. They do it with alcohol tests every day. In any event, if you worked around people driving forklifts, would you want to bet your life on it?
 
Er, how can PRO-cannabis be ANTI-tobacco ? I mean what do you do with the cannabis if you don't smoke it ???

Grey Wolf
 
Grey Wolf said:
Er, how can PRO-cannabis be ANTI-tobacco ? I mean what do you do with the cannabis if you don't smoke it ???

Grey Wolf

Well, you can eat it (preferably in dried or refined form and added to other foods, I'm told, as the taste is not pleasant), drink an infusion of it, use it as an incense (though this requires larger quantities) or smoke it in a nargileh or other stationary form rather than, as tobacco, in portable form. If you are good at chemistry you can even isolate the THC and put it in pills, suppositories, or injections, though I doubt that would appeal to many users :)

In the spirit of AH, it would depend on the reason smoking is objected to. The modern anti-smoking movement objects to health hazards, There is simply no way they could ever be pro-cannabis as the health hazard from lung cancer is present in both (though I have yet to meet anyone who physically can go through twenty joints a day, but that's another story)
If the anti-smoking movement in the ATL objects to tobacco on social or religious grounds ('it stinks', 'destroyer of families' or 'God hates it'), they could well favour cannabis as a more acceptable alternative, especially if it is enjoyed not in joints but in nargilehs or eaten. Something along the lines of: "No cigar at the bar! A pipe on the porch!" "Real men don't leave their families alone to smoke!"...

Oh, for the record, I don't personally indulge. I just live six hours' drive from Amsterdam
 
Grey Wolf said:
Er, how can PRO-cannabis be ANTI-tobacco ? I mean what do you do with the cannabis if you don't smoke it ???

Grey Wolf

You can use it to make cookies (both marijuana and hashis), make tea out of it, use it as spice... Is writing recepies here illegal :D ?

carlton_bach said:
In the spirit of AH, it would depend on the reason smoking is objected to. The modern anti-smoking movement objects to health hazards, There is simply no way they could ever be pro-cannabis as the health hazard from lung cancer is present in both (though I have yet to meet anyone who physically can go through twenty joints a day, but that's another story)


The problem is that smoking canabis includes smoking tobacco as well. Well, we all know how joints are made. Right, guys? Ummm..... :( . Seriuslly, you can't separate smoking tobacco from smoking pot. Smoking just canabis is both bad (regarding taste) and expensive.

Altough my friend smokes a lot of pot but wouldn't touch a cig. After he is done lecturing me about evils of tobacco he bums me for a gig, opens it and rolls doobie. Go figure. :rolleyes:

What you could do is have establishments with water pipes and pot.
 
Grey Wolf said:
Er, how can PRO-cannabis be ANTI-tobacco ? I mean what do you do with the cannabis if you don't smoke it ???

Grey Wolf

I don´t understand the logic either, but german government coalition party Bündnis90/DieGrünen (greens)
Do exactly that. They press for harsh anti-tobacco laws but they advocate legalizing. They even held pro-hemp political rallys.

I don´t say what I think of these people in general or on this topic specifically as I don´t want to start a polemical rant,

but the logic in it escapes me completely
 
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