AH Challenge: Negroid state to Europe

Look at the incredible "Negroid" Moors

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Oh yeah look at Yusuf Sultan of the Almohavid:mad: Last I cecked most moors were Africans. Also were the Berber tribes not African????
 
Look at the incredible "Negroid" Moors.

Blonde hair shows up randomly all over the world, but you still have a point. The Berbers are not black or Negroid or whatever you feel like calling it.

Oh yeah look at Yusuf Sultan of the Almohavid:mad: Last I cecked most moors were Africans. Also were the Berber tribes not African????

Yes, they are African. But they are not black, and the point of the scenario was about black people.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Oh yeah look at Yusuf Sultan of the Almohavid:mad: Last I cecked most moors were Africans. Also were the Berber tribes not African????

They was African as in they lived in Africa, but so does the Afrikaans. Moors was mostly Berbers, a group the guy in the picture belong to.
 
Blonde hair shows up randomly all over the world, but you still have a point. The Berbers are not black or Negroid or whatever you feel like calling it.



Yes, they are African. But they are not black, and the point of the scenario was about black people.
Some Berbers are black I think... Otherwise... Umm..

How about this..... Many Numidian people migrate to Hispania from Carthage.

Next when Carthage falls Hispania holds out. Maybe have carthage taken in second Punic war. Afterwords Hispania get conquered by Rome. By now many numidians are in hispania. After Rome falls they continue to survive. Their is your Negroid state. Last I checked Numidians were considered black by the Romans
 
Some Berbers are black I think... Otherwise... Umm..

How about this..... Many Numidian people migrate to Hispania from Carthage.

Next when Carthage falls Hispania holds out. Maybe have carthage taken in second Punic war. Afterwords Hispania get conquered by Rome. By now many numidians are in hispania. After Rome falls they continue to survive. Their is your Negroid state. Last I checked Numidians were considered black by the Romans

Actually, Xwarq's timeline had some Numidians moving to Thrace, but sadly the timeline ended prematurely.

Edit: Why is this thread titled with the word "Negroid"? It's a silly term, like Caucasian to refer to white people.
 
Actually, Xwarq's timeline had some Numidians moving to Thrace, but sadly the timeline ended prematurely.

Edit: Why is this thread titled with the word "Negroid"? It's a silly term, like Caucasian to refer to white people.

I agree Negroid is a bad term. So Numidians in Hispania are plausable rght
 
Actually, Xwarq's timeline had some Numidians moving to Thrace, but sadly the timeline ended prematurely.

Edit: Why is this thread titled with the word "Negroid"? It's a silly term, like Caucasian to refer to white people.
Nubians. Not Numidians.
 
If the latter, the POD would be basically, where civilization never moves past a neolithic level of existence for the most part within Europe proper nor are populations significant enough for the establishment of any great cities or at least none at the time of eventual colonization similar to how North America was colonized.

I actually like your scenario, but North America was hardly lacking in great cities at the time colonization begun. Many Native American societies were very advanced... All I'm saying.
 

JSmith

Banned
I wish someoneone would write something for this.Maybe a blurb from this present day black European state and hen flashbacks to how we got there?
 
ooookkkk now being of African descent I can say that using the word negroid is not acceptable nowadays.

Second Moors were clearly black Africans, you can find just as many dark skinned berbers as light skinned.
 
If you start with a too early POD (Neanderthal era), the dark skinned immigrants will start losing colour after a few hundred generations. (In high latitudes, bright skin is an advantage since it improves vitamin D production when there's little sunshine, so those with a paler complexion will thrive better in Europe.)
 
Dark-skinned Berbers are Tuaregs, and the light-skinned Berber in the photo is a Riffian Berber.

I'm not sure its possible to have a majority Black population in Europe. There seems to have far fewer Black Africans living near the Mediterranean coast of North Africa than south of the Sahara or Upper Egypt.
 
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I think you'd need Years of Rice and Salt lite at the least.
Even if you do have a black group moving up to Europe somehow they're still going to be outnumbered by the natives, they're still going to breed with the natives, and over the years even the ruling elites will steadily become ever more white.
To make a area totally flip from one race to the other you need a steady and constant stream from home, for black people in Europe though they've had to skip over the Sahara and north Africa. Clearly isolated.
 
Edit: Why is this thread titled with the word "Negroid"? It's a silly term, like Caucasian to refer to white people.

There's no better term really, although it does sound archaic if not openly offensive. Sub-Saharan African perhaps?

As to the Berbers, yes, the vast majority of them would be considered white to western eyes. In many cases they actually look whiter than the Arabized populations in North Africa, who, being more urban, absorbed more of the gene flow from descendants of sub-Saharan slaves.

There are exceptions. The Tauregs are mixed-race, although to American eyes they look African because we tend to think people who have anywhere from 30%+ African ancestry are "black" Saharan Berber groups are also notably dark (about as dark as Egyptians say). But these are exceptions, not the rule.

Of course, the Moors were a wide variety of ancestries, from Arab to Berber (even some Muslim slavs), Many were undoubtedly in part black. Still, they were certainly not the majority.
 
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