AH challenge: More sucessful Portugal

Don't know. You are expert for history of Portugal. I'm not.
I wasn't challenging you, I was just asking rhetorically! :p
And BTW I happen to be Portuguese and (like everyone else around here) I happen to like history. I'm hardly an expert :)

OK, so let's take your idea that Luis II decides to hold elections for new Cortes and so end dictatorship. Would he do that under old or new electoral law? He would have to impose that new law, because there's no Cortes in session....
I'm not sure what were the legal proceedings for constitutional revisions. After a quick peek at the 1826 constitution I've seen no mention to such procedures but I did notice there was a small revision in December 1907 (you know, during João Franco's dicatorship)! Either the House of Peers (a Portugue rip-off of the House of Lords) was still in session or the King and PM could really revise the constitution by decree.
Anyway there's no direct mention to the algorithm used so I think that could be reformed through an ordinary law.

The problem with the rotativism was also that the two main parties were starting to fall apart. There were several factions in the parliament to appease. You know, the Benelux system. It's a good system when the parties can get along otherwise you get what's happening with Belgium.

My take is that countries like early 1900s Portugal should have an election algorithm with a strong bias towards the most voted party.
And sure, that indirect election thingy should be reformed too.
 
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abc123

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I wasn't challenging you, I was just asking rhetorically! :p
And BTW I happen to be Portuguese and (like everyone else around here) I happen to like history. I'm hardly an expert :)


I'm not sure what were the legal proceedings for constitutional revisions. After a quick pick at the 1826 constitution I've seen no mention to such procedures but I did notice there was a small revision in December 1907 (you know, during João Franco's dicatorship)! Either the House of Peers (a Portugue rip-off of the House of Lords) was still in session or the King and PM could really revise the constitution by decree.
Anyway there's no direct mention to the algorithm used so I think that could be reformed through an ordinary law.

The problem with the rotativism was also that the two main parties were starting to fall apart. There were several factions in the parliament to appease. You know, the Benelux system. It's a good system when the parties can get along otherwise you get what's happening with Belgium.

My take is that countries like early 1900s Portugal should have an election algorithm with a strong bias towards the most voted party.
And sure, that indirect election thingy should be reformed too.

I was refering on the fact that your'e Portuguese while I'm not.

About electoral reform, that would be a good thing, but I have just read a article about views of then british ambassador in Lisbon and apparently last time when Carlos I was popular was in 1904. After that, he was blamed for all problems of country.

It would be nice to see how much Luis II can do to remedy that.
 
Where is that PORTUGAL IS NOT A SMALL COUNTRY poster when we need it? There we go:

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Oh how I love that old map. Nationalist regisms are fun.
But as Dunois pointed out bigger is not better. ;)

EDIT: funny thing about that map. The borders are sketchy but still they've made Northern Schleswig German again. Furthermore they called Lithuania "Eastern Prussia" and called Great Britan "England".
Oh and Finland has no access to the Arctic.
 
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Would somebody be willing to write TL about this? ( more sucessful Portugal )

Pamc might.
If he doesn't I may write a small one, expanding AdA's idea. Nothing fancy though: just raw year-by-year facts about Humberto Delgado's presidency.
 

abc123

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Pamc might.
If he doesn't I may write a small one, expanding AdA's idea. Nothing fancy though: just raw year-by-year facts about Humberto Delgado's presidency.

It seems fine for me. Could you just extend it till today?
 

abc123

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Sorry, I can't, gotta work. ;) If by Wednesday (which is an holiday here) I don't hear from Pamc I'll give it a shot then.

OK, in the meanwhile, I will maybe ( depending about my job ) start something about avoiding regicide...
 
What do you think of a Portuguese Commonwhealth, with Angola, Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau as members?

Not immediatly after a Humberto Delgado Coup but rather in sixties when African colonies were granted indepndence
 
What do you think of a Portuguese Commonwhealth, with Angola, Mozambique and Guinea-Bissau as members?

Not immediatly after a Humberto Delgado Coup but rather in sixties when African colonies were granted indepndence
With or without Brazil?
 
Brazil might be a future member but will not be on the beggining as it wasn't part of Portugal in the 60's
 

abc123

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Brazil might be a future member but will not be on the beggining as it wasn't part of Portugal in the 60's

Sincerely, I don't see some big advantage for Brazil to be in that Commonwealth, except cultural reasons...
 
Brazil might be a future member but will not be on the beggining as it wasn't part of Portugal in the 60's
No need. An earlier CPLP could arise as an expansion of the amicable bilateral relations of Portugal and Brazil, being ready to accept new members upon Angola et al's independence.

Of course, if that Commonwealth is a sort of political union meant to puppetize the newborn states, Brazil can't be allowed in or it would spoil this Commonwealth's evil purposes... :p

But I don't know what does the Commonwealth of Nations has more that CPLP other than some of its members sharing a monarch. Other than that AFAIK it's not a political union but a permanent forum that serves as a catalyst to multilateral political, economical and cultural treaties.

I see you opened a thread for your TL. Can't wait.

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Sincerely, I don't see some big advantage for Brazil to be in that Commonwealth, except cultural reasons...
Ah but even OTL Brazil does have a lot of interest in the Portuguese-speaking market.
 
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