AH Challenge: Moldavia and Wallachia

How can we plausibly have Moldavia and Wallachia not forming Romania and beeing independant states until the present day?
 
You could have Romania broken up by a Turkish intervention after Cuza's overthrow, which would have happened in OTL if not for French lobbying on our behalf. But then there's always the possibility of later reunification. To keep that from happening you need an international environment where France no longer has any influence in the area (that happened in OTL after the war with Prussia) and the Russians and Ottomans are adamantly opposed to union (which is harder because they will be very tempted to use the Romanians against each other).
 

Valdemar II

Banned
You could have Romania broken up by a Turkish intervention after Cuza's overthrow, which would have happened in OTL if not for French lobbying on our behalf. But then there's always the possibility of later reunification. To keep that from happening you need an international environment where France no longer has any influence in the area (that happened in OTL after the war with Prussia) and the Russians and Ottomans are adamantly opposed to union (which is harder because they will be very tempted to use the Romanians against each other).

Pervez how's this going to affect the later Balkans wars and Austria-Hungary? Will the Ottomans be stronger with no Romania or will Russia vassalise them and get access to the Balkans. How will this affect the Romanian speaking part of Hungary, are it going to easier to assimilate them into the Hungarian Nation, without a Romanian state as a alternative?
 
Will the Ottomans be stronger with no Romania or will Russia vassalise them and get access to the Balkans.

Well, on the one side, the Russians won't need to negotiate their crossing the Principalities with any half-way powerful government. On the other, there'll be fewer Balkan revolutionaries in Bucharest and there won't be any Romanian military to save Russia from a humiliation at Pleven.

How will this affect the Romanian speaking part of Hungary, are it going to easier to assimilate them into the Hungarian Nation, without a Romanian state as a alternative?

Easier, but not by much. The Transylvanian Romanians didn't depend on those in the Principalities. They had began their national revival independently and tended to keep it so.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Well, on the one side, the Russians won't need to negotiate their crossing the Principalities with any half-way powerful government. On the other, there'll be fewer Balkan revolutionaries in Bucharest and there won't be any Romanian military to save Russia from a humiliation at Pleven.

So the result of a disunited Romania is a less rebellious Ottoman Balkan, but a Russian succes can cost the Ottomans the strait.


Easier, but not by much. The Transylvanian Romanians didn't depend on those in the Principalities. They had began their national revival independently and tended to keep it so.

So Crişana and Romanian Banat have a bigger chance to become Hungarian, while Transsylvania is staying majority Romanian.
 
So the result of a disunited Romania is a less rebellious Ottoman Balkan, but a Russian succes can cost the Ottomans the strait.

Nothing that extreme.

So Crişana and Romanian Banat have a bigger chance to become Hungarian, while Transsylvania is staying majority Romanian.

Hard to say how assimilation will be distributed geographically, but I don't think it will make much of a difference from OTL.
 
I think losing four battles at Plevna with horrendous losses counts as humiliation. It also turned European opinion in favor of the Ottomans and probably led to the empire being saved at Berlin.

I feel that unification of the Principalities would be inevitable, but it does open the door to an arrangement between A-H and Russia for control over one each, which could have long-term impact. When places proceed under different nationalist governments, they tend to diverge and make harder to unite, like Romania and Moldova, or Albania and Kosova.

Well, on the one side, the Russians won't need to negotiate their crossing the Principalities with any half-way powerful government. On the other, there'll be fewer Balkan revolutionaries in Bucharest and there won't be any Romanian military to save Russia from a humiliation at Pleven.



Easier, but not by much. The Transylvanian Romanians didn't depend on those in the Principalities. They had began their national revival independently and tended to keep it so.
 

Leo Caesius

Banned
Dracula doesnt die?:D
Or perhaps Prince Vigo von Homburg Deutschendorf (also known as Vigo The Carpathian, Vigo The Cruel, Vigo The Torturer, Vigo The Despised, Vigo The Unholy, the Scourge of Carpathia, and the Sorrow of Moldavia) isn't poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, and drawn & quartered back in 1610.
 

MrP

Banned
Or perhaps Prince Vigo von Homburg Deutschendorf (also known as Vigo The Carpathian, Vigo The Cruel, Vigo The Torturer, Vigo The Despised, Vigo The Unholy, the Scourge of Carpathia, and the Sorrow of Moldavia) isn't poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, and drawn & quartered back in 1610.

:D :D :D
 
Or perhaps Prince Vigo von Homburg Deutschendorf (also known as Vigo The Carpathian, Vigo The Cruel, Vigo The Torturer, Vigo The Despised, Vigo The Unholy, the Scourge of Carpathia, and the Sorrow of Moldavia) isn't poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, and drawn & quartered back in 1610.

I agree with MrP's smileys.
 
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