AH Challenge: Make the American President King of Canada

I have a pretty sure idea this is completely ASB but I wasn't quite sure.

So, with a POD anytime after the Declaration of Independence, the President of the United States king of Canada. Every time a new president is elected, Canada has a new King.

Canada is still independent and the Prime minister has all the power, but the American president is a monarchial figure head.

Can it be done?
 
I have a pretty sure idea this is completely ASB but I wasn't quite sure.

So, with a POD anytime after the Declaration of Independence, the President of the United States king of Canada. Every time a new president is elected, Canada has a new King.

Canada is still independent and the Prime minister has all the power, but the American president is a monarchial figure head.

Can it be done?

Sounds like a potential settlement for the Canadian Civil War in DoD. Except of course just about the only thing the alt-Canucks can agree upon is that they hate the Jackals.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
Right, American King, Second Amendment, Canadians... [Keepin' it short]

I don't think that's going to last long.
 

Gracie

Banned
I have a pretty sure idea this is completely ASB but I wasn't quite sure.

So, with a POD anytime after the Declaration of Independence, the President of the United States king of Canada. Every time a new president is elected, Canada has a new King.

Canada is still independent and the Prime minister has all the power, but the American president is a monarchial figure head.

Can it be done?

Without doing the homework, I will say President Benedict Arnold, King of Canada.
 
But the challenge here is to keep having the American president remain simply the President of the United States of America but have each President aknowledged by the Canadians as their king.

American President is still voted in and he doesn't really have any powers in Canada. He has power in the States and not Canada.

The challenge here is for the Canucks to crown each President King once they get elected.
 

Sachyriel

Banned
But the challenge here is to keep having the American president remain simply the President of the United States of America but have each President aknowledged by the Canadians as their king.

American President is still voted in and he doesn't really have any powers in Canada. He has power in the States and not Canada.

The challenge here is for the Canucks to crown each President King once they get elected.

Alright, I'll bite. Say, the Queen of England pre-arranges a marriage to the president's daughter. The lucky prince escorts her around, and even if most Americans don't really know why the marriage happened, the conspiracy is kinda obvious to the French, who scream bloody murder at the marrying of a royal into a 'common whore', which kinda estranges the Quebec population, who are busy inventing poutine and they do not care so much for the land of snooty people in Louisiana parts of the states.

So, during the wedding, many people are cheering. The Prince and his beautiful wife are used a political marriage, but they do have children, whom they love.

When the QM dies, the Prince moves up, and one of their children is running for New York Congressman. People remember growing up along this boy, seeing his family in the News often, and he's so in because of the media's influence.

After a bit, the King and Queen are replaced by their brood, the King of England marrying a different princess, one from India (all planned to keep the English Empire and the United States in an alliance), and our beloved NY Congressman runs for the Oval Office.

With the new nationalist scene in Canada coming into fashion, the British/American Crown decides to prepare an ambush. They proclaim that the American President will be crowned over Canada, which will have independant status from GB but strong ties.

Any good? I have no real begining date, but it's probably before WW1.
 
Isnt there a clause in the US constitution which prevents american citizens from holding noble titles? You might want to somehow avoid this to make this happen (although I can think of (absurd) ways to do this without removing that clause).

Does he hav to be acknowledged as king? What about something like governor-general?
 
Isnt there a clause in the US constitution which prevents american citizens from holding noble titles? You might want to somehow avoid this to make this happen (although I can think of (absurd) ways to do this without removing that clause).

Does he hav to be acknowledged as king? What about something like governor-general?


There is such a clause in the constitution.

A Govenor-General needs a King to Govern for..... A vice-regal postion would be not the best postion.

This I fear would need a PoD. Perhaps the President was a hereditary postion to begin with or something like that.

Once the actual non-royal status of the President is overcome then its quite simple. It has been done before, for example the Co-Principality of Andorra which is shared between the French throne (now the French President) and a Spanish Bishop....
 
Isnt there a clause in the US constitution which prevents american citizens from holding noble titles? You might want to somehow avoid this to make this happen (although I can think of (absurd) ways to do this without removing that clause).

Does he hav to be acknowledged as king? What about something like governor-general?

That's not a problem at all. The clause that you're referring to says that no elected official may hold any office or title of nobility without the consent of Congress. So simply have Congress consent to each new president taking up the Canadian crown, and since that would signify American dominance over Canada, I see no reason why they wouldn't consent. And as already mentioned, you don't even need to add any hereditary elements into the mix for this to work. Because just as Andorra shows, a person need not serve for life to be considered a monarch.

Actually, this isn't as ASB as I first thought when I read the thread title. All you need is some American-Canadian War in which the Americans are unable to win decisively enough to annex. So as part of a peace treaty, Canada is allowed to remain independent, as long as the current US President is always their figurehead king as well. America has the satisfaction of having nominal supremacy over their neighbor to the North, and Canada would no doubt always recognize the President as their titular king to avoid any future conflict over the issue. Overly simplistic, but I think it's plausible. Thoughts?
 

HueyLong

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Its not possible after the Revolution cooled down to make the President "King".

A similar status (head of state but not head of government) could develop, but not under the terms of a monarchy. Its actually an idea I've thought about a few times.
 
Its not possible after the Revolution cooled down to make the President "King".

A similar status (head of state but not head of government) could develop, but not under the terms of a monarchy. Its actually an idea I've thought about a few times.

So you're saying that the majority of Americans were staunch anti-monarchists during the first few decades after the Revolution? I don't think so. They knew that King George, who from what I understand was already somewhat of a figurehead at the time, had little to do with the abuses against the colonists. It was Parliament that had screwed them over. But since its easier to blame a specific person instead of a group of people, they criticized the one guy that embodied the nation: the King. And considering that there was talk about making Washington the first King of America, I think its safe to say that people at the time were not against the system of monarchy.
 

HueyLong

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By the end of OTL's Revolution, there was quite clearly an anti-monarchist trend in American political thought. The problems of King George became pinned down not so much on him, but on kings and monarchies in general. The sentiment was thoroughly Republican and even the few monarchy-leaning Federalists phrased it all in the language of a Republic.

There was so significant movement, popular or political, to make George Washington King after the Revolution. Why, the later invention of Emperor Bonaparte was even (mostly) without precedent in the era. The idea that Washington could have been King, I think, is exaggerated.
 
Maybe Canadian Parliament could vote to ratify the President-elect as King... a vote in Canadian Parliament too every 4 years...
 
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