AH Challenge: Make a dystopian Allied Victory

pretty much every Axis victory scenario out there is very Dystopian in someway or another. However, it made me wonder what a Dystopian Allied Victory in WW2 would look like. the challenge is to create a Dystopian Allied Victory. Explain how this world came to be the way it is and give a basic description of it. Maps are welcome for extra description.

Note: OTL does not count as an example and do not use any existing examples of an existing Allied Dystopia if there is one.
 
Perhaps have the Soviet Union fall in 1941, and prolong the western front so that it ends in Germany being a radioactive wasteland. The allies move in and make a series of small German states and impose Versailles times ten conditions on them.

Or better yet, have the allies drop nuclear and NBC weapons on Germany until all the lights go dark and then leave the continent to its fate.

And to cap off, have the UK, seeing as these nuclear things are pretty useful, use massed nuclear weapons against their colonial subjects that try to break away.
 
-Latin America gets involved in the war somehow
-Soviet Union falls early. Through resistance can still exist
-China falls early to Japan
-Final Solution kills as much as possible
-Germany gets nuked + invaded
-Japan gets nuked + invaded
-Germany and Japan all divided into small states, some areas permanently unsettleable due to the radioactive nukes and some areas the Allies wont allow to rebuild because it would be a rallying point for nationalists.
-UK and France contemplates using nuclear arms........
 
pretty much every Axis victory scenario out there is very Dystopian in someway or another. However, it made me wonder what a Dystopian Allied Victory in WW2 would look like. the challenge is to create a Dystopian Allied Victory. Explain how this world came to be the way it is and give a basic description of it. Maps are welcome for extra description.

Either the Germans delay Barbarossa a year or the Soviets dodge the catastrophes of 1941, meaning they are able to score an even more decisive victory then OTL overrunning all of Eastern and Central Europe (as opposed to most of Eastern Europe and half of Central Europe) faster and at a fraction of the cost. Then, to cap it off, Stalinism is never discredited so the Soviets remain a 1984-esque totalitarian state forever.
 
60 million people dead.

A brutal dictatorship is charge of most of Eastern Europe.

China gets on with its civil war.

A large chunk of the industrialized world has been shattered.

The Allied victory was pretty dystopian.
 
Or better yet, have the allies drop nuclear and NBC weapons on Germany until all the lights go dark and then leave the continent to its fate.

That was sort of my thinking as well. Maybe the D-Day campaign turns into a complete fiasco and the Allies are forced to escalate to nukes and anthrax.
 
60 million people dead.

A brutal dictatorship is charge of most of Eastern Europe.

China gets on with its civil war.

A large chunk of the industrialized world has been shattered.

The Allied victory was pretty dystopian.

Did you read the opening post?
 
D-Day is met with Hitler unleashing Biological and chemical weapons on the UK and Russia, immobilising their campaigns for almost a year, and by the time they start another offensive, nukes are used. Meanwhile, Japan suffers a Decisive Darkness.
 
More Germans escape from the Falaise Gap and stubbornly defend thier retreat through Northern France, Belgium and Holland. Vichy French soldiers bitterly oppose WALLY invaders. WALLY artillery reduce hundreds of French, Belgian and Dutch towns to rubble before they can be "liberated" by the few remaining Commonwealth infantry.
After the war WALLY occupying armies restrict industry, forcing Germans to rely on farming. The German economy cannot feed half as many mouths on only agriculture. Food imports are restricted ... to cash payments.
Meanwhile, Mussillinni remains in control of Italy and Italian soldiers stubbornly defend their homeland.
After the end of the war, Stalin loses interest in Eatern Europe and leaves dozens of well-armed ethnic armies to squabble over ancient borders.
 
The Anglo-American Nazi War is a timeline by CalBear that's pretty dark and dreary - not quite dystopian, but very much in that spirit. Essentially, Germany strong-arms Italy into avoiding North Africa, uses the extra troops to crush the Russians in Barbarossa, and the Soviet Union falls - so it's a decade later before the Anglo-American alliance liberates Europe, a decade for the Nazis to do their thing.
 
Following the surrender of Germany in 1945, the country returned mainly to its pre-war borders (except for some pieces taken as compensation) and found itself divided in occupation zones under the various victors.

- US-occupied Germany: capital at Frankfurt-Am-Main. Composed of Bavaria, Hesse, Northrn half of Baden-Wurtemberg, Bremen & Bremerhaven

- British-occupied Germany: occupied by British with troops from other commonwealth countries (mostly canadians). Made of Schlewig-Holstein, Hamburg, Lower Saxony, North Rhine-Westphalia & part of Rhineland-Palatinate. Capital at Bad Oeynhausen.

- Norwegian-occupied Germany: Hannover

- Saarland: French Protectorate touted by France and some of its allies as a sovereign nation.

- French-occupied Germany: capital at Baden-Baden (Bade). Composed of Bade, Part of Rhineland-Palatinate & Wurtemberg-Hohenzollern.

- Soviet-occupied Germany: Capital at berlin. composed of Thuringia, saxony, saxony-anhalt, brandenberg & macklenberg-vorpommern.

- Free Polish enclave: Around the former town of Haren, now known as Maczków

- Belgian occupied germany: corridor around Cologne from Belgium to soviet Zone

- Luxemburg-occupied Germany: includes bitburg & saarburg

- Communist Polish-occupied Germany: Southern East-Prussia & (future) polish territory up to Oder River

- "Dutch Germany": proposed annexion of Cologne, Aachen, Munster and Onasbruck to the netherland

Not only do the occupiers pump everything they can out of their area of control, both material, natural resources and even force labour but conflicts erupts over interpretation of treaties leading to proxy wars especially in the other former axis power. Eventually, Germany, Austria, Italy and Japan cease to exist as a unified country with the former allies, who in this universe never contemplate a post WW2 military alliance against the soviet, forming their own puppet countries out of the various slices of germany while at home, countries face pro and anti-communist insurgencies.
 

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I'm thinking the dystopias generally revolve around either chemical or bio weapons getting used in Europe or the Soviets collapsing in 1941, which means the war drags on for longer than IOTL and is quite a bit bloodier all around while the Nazis get a chance to really slaughter a bunch of people in the East. After that there is little reason to rehabilitate Germany without the Cold War, so it may well get Morgenthaued in the sense of being deindustrialized. Plus without the Soviets around the sweep up the Japanese military in China then the US will have to likely invade continental Asia and run down the IJA after Japan proper falls. Lots of nukes and probably gas gets used in that TL.
 
Extra note: if there is a book/movie/thread on this site/something else about a dystopian Allied victory, you may leave a link.
 
Maybe Stalin gets his head out of the sand re: German preparations for invasion, and trusts Zhukov with greater latitude, so the Red Army can conserve manpower, retreat, and only counterattack when they're good and ready. Army Group Center is run down and destroyed in Winter 1941, the whole German front unravels in 1942. Alternatively, [Army Group South] is ripped away in Operation Jupiter after Uranus encircles 6th Army, Mars goes off better, Germans collapse utterly, and the Soviets race for Paris, and you get a chain of Socialist Republics from Vietnam to Amsterdam.
 
How would the US not entering the war go? Maybe then the Allies still win eventually but with a more prolonged and brutal conflict, ending in 1950 with Soviet control of almost all of Europe. Could no US entry into the war produce a Red Europe?
 

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How would the US not entering the war go? Maybe then the Allies still win eventually but with a more prolonged and brutal conflict, ending in 1950 with Soviet control of almost all of Europe. Could no US entry into the war produce a Red Europe?
We've had that argument before, frankly I don't think the Allies can win without chemical/bio weapons in that case. The US contribution was critical to victory, without it the Soviets+UK can't win even with LL. They can certainly stalemate, but final victory is impossible barring epic Axis stupidity.
 
We've had that argument before, frankly I don't think the Allies can win without chemical/bio weapons in that case. The US contribution was critical to victory, without it the Soviets+UK can't win even with LL. They can certainly stalemate, but final victory is impossible barring epic Axis stupidity.

Ok sorry I didn't know. Still, I suppose a good enough stalemate and if the Nazis collapse afterwards could be a victory. Operation Vegetarian would work for this challenge.
 

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The US is super isolationist, so no lend lease. With no help and losing their army at Dunkirk, Britain starves and sues for peace. German "peacekeeping" troops occupy London.

This is a massive wake up call for the US, who kick out their isolationist president in 1940. But Japan does Pearl Harbor to take the European colonies.

Hitler doesn't declare war on the US, but send his entire army to invade the Soviet Union. Although Moscow is taken, Stalin survives with massive lend lease. Imagine everything that went to Britan to Russia.

In 1947, the Russians take Berlin. Soon all of Europe is Red. Since Operation Barbarorssa was so much worst, Stain punishes Europe.

The US invades Japan, along with soaking the island with radioation and chemical weapons. They quickly land in Britain, which has been depopulated by the Nazis. The US annex Great Britain.

Now you have 1984
 

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Ok sorry I didn't know. Still, I suppose a good enough stalemate and if the Nazis collapse afterwards could be a victory. Operation Vegetarian would work for this challenge.
No need to apologize, I get that you might not be up on the entire history of the board, just letting you know that its come up and you could probably find several pages worth of arguments about it.
 
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