AH Challenge: Independent USA and Loyalist Colonies both surface

The British manage to take the North but the effort exhausts their will and manpower so the South, under Virginia, manages to Secede while New England becomes a Dominion.

Thanks, but I don't think that I was clear. The basis of the TL has already been founded. I'll start a new thread to avoid confusion. Thanks anyway!
 
I'm a fairly new poster here, so I hope I don't upset anyone with this, but I actually agree with those that said there is serious trouble in Quebec joining the Union. I completely agree that the powers that be in the thirteen colonies would be very happy to have Quebec join, but its on the Quebecker side I can see issues emerging.

Ethnic issues are extremely powerful forces, and they're really not appreciated enough by the sort of educated types who post on internet forums. Even in today's European Union, the British and the French instinctively distrust each other - not because of any objective difference in situation, but just because of outlook differences that come from culture.

Remember, Quebec came extremely close in OTL to leaving Canada - and this was after centuries of being well treated in the same country. It can't really be compared with various immigrant groups mucking in together (although there's been enough violence between them in places like New York through history). Here's a situation where you have contiguous ethnic groups and big geographic gap between them. Quebeckers will see the Anglos as foreigners. Add in the extra fears of the unknown in this time period and I can't see union happening. If you want them to rebel from the British, which they may well have reason to, they'll be wanting to go their own way.

Nova Scotia was also surrounded by British military forts. If the British are strong enough to hold the South well, I can't see this being lost either. However, if both the US and Quebec rebel they may give away Nova Scotia in final peace negotiations. More likely however is that they will hold onto it to try to hem the US in. The British will harbor dreams of the US coming back into the imperial fold at some point. I don't this needs to necessarily happen though - New England to Virginia is a powerful bloc that can hang on as it pushes inwards across the Great Lakes.
 
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