AH Challenge get THIS president/vice president list

Straha

Banned
what ATL is needed to get ALL of THESE as the presidents/vice presidents?

1932-1945 Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman(democrat)
1945-1950 Harry Truman/William A. Harriman(democrat)
1950-1956 William A. Harriman/Alben Barkely(democrat)
1957-1961 William Jenner/Henry Cabot Lodge(republican)
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy junior/Hubert Humphrey(democrat)
1963-1969 Hubert Humphrey/Eugene McCarthy(democrat)
1969-1976 Eugene McCarthy/Edwin S. Muskie(democrat)
1976-1981 Edwin S. Muskie/Nick Galifianakes(76-77)George McGovern(1976-81) (democrat)
1981-1989 Jerry Brown/Scoop Jackson(socialist)
1989-1993 Micheal Dukakis/Walter Mondale(republican)
1993-2001 Charles Manson/Hillary Clinton(democrat)
2001-2009 Lyndon Gunnip/Ross Perot(socialist)
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Straha said:
what ATL is needed to get ALL of THESE as the presidents/vice presidents?

1932-1945 Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman(democrat)
1945-1950 Harry Truman/William A. Harriman(democrat)
1950-1956 William A. Harriman/Alben Barkely(democrat)
1957-1961 William Jenner/Henry Cabot Lodge(republican)
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy junior/Hubert Humphrey(democrat)
1963-1969 Hubert Humphrey/Eugene McCarthy(democrat)
1969-1976 Eugene McCarthy/Edwin S. Muskie(democrat)
1976-1981 Edwin S. Muskie/Nick Galifianakes(76-77)George McGovern(1976-81) (democrat)
1981-1989 Jerry Brown/Scoop Jackson(socialist)
1989-1993 Micheal Dukakis/Walter Mondale(republican)
1993-2001 Charles Manson/Hillary Clinton(democrat)
2001-2009 Lyndon Gunnip/Ross Perot(socialist)

Can you do a bio on each of the unknowns ? And why you think they are fit/likely for this position ?

Grey Wolf
 

Straha

Banned
Grey Wolf said:
Can you do a bio on each of the unknowns ? And why you think they are fit/likely for this position ?

Grey Wolf

1 tis is part of a TL I'm doing
2 it would ruin the surprise
3 theres lots of butterflies in this timeline
4 theres more assasinations than IOTL
 
Straha said:
what ATL is needed to get ALL of THESE as the presidents/vice presidents?

1932-1945 Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman(democrat)
1945-1950 Harry Truman/William A. Harriman(democrat)
1950-1956 William A. Harriman/Alben Barkely(democrat)
1957-1961 William Jenner/Henry Cabot Lodge(republican)
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy junior/Hubert Humphrey(democrat)
1963-1969 Hubert Humphrey/Eugene McCarthy(democrat)
1969-1976 Eugene McCarthy/Edwin S. Muskie(democrat)
1976-1981 Edwin S. Muskie/Nick Galifianakes(76-77)George McGovern(1976-81) (democrat)
1981-1989 Jerry Brown/Scoop Jackson(socialist)
1989-1993 Micheal Dukakis/Walter Mondale(republican)
1993-2001 Charles Manson/Hillary Clinton(democrat)
2001-2009 Lyndon Gunnip/Ross Perot(socialist)

I think there would have to be a major change to the US Constitution in this ATL since John F. Kennedy Jr. would be one year old in 1961. He was only born in 1960! Perhaps Humphrey serves as a regent or something.
 

Straha

Banned
David S Poepoe said:
I think there would have to be a major change to the US Constitution in this ATL since John F. Kennedy Jr. would be one year old in 1961. He was only born in 1960! Perhaps Humphrey serves as a regent or something.
crap I messed up
 

Grey Wolf

Donor
Straha said:
I meant JFK

Oh right, I actually thought you meant Joe Jnr, killed in action in WW2. So we still get JFK. If I ever find any time I will look some of your other guys up, but since I don't know who they are I can't answer anything off the top of my head. Well, I know who Manson is but cannot see HOW he becomes president, lol

Grey Wolf
 
First, you have way too many Democrats. From 1932 to 1981, it is almost entirely Democratic, with the exception of a four year period from 1957 to 1961. That's way too Democratic. There has never been, and it is unlikely that there ever will be, a period that long controlled by one party.

Secondly, you have way too many assassinations. From what I can tell, there are four assassinations (Truman, Harriman, Kennedy, and McCarthy), each of which you have leaving office in a non-election year. That's too many. There have only been four Presidential assassinations in 215 years of American history (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy), so why so many? The President would just retreat into the White House and stay inside for their entire term.

Third, there has got to be a serious change, (i.e. no Soviet Union, no Cold War, etc.) to have Socialist Presidents, especially at the end of the 20th Century, and especially because you have them being reelected. And, Dukakis and Mondale, REPUBLICANS??? What happened to Goldwater, Nixon, and Reagan?

It seems that this list, for those three reasons, is extremely unlikely.
 
<i>1932-1945 Franklin Roosevelt/Harry Truman(democrat)
1945-1950 Harry Truman/William A. Harriman(democrat)
1950-1956 William A. Harriman/Alben Barkely(democrat)
1957-1961 William Jenner/Henry Cabot Lodge(republican)
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy junior/Hubert Humphrey(democrat)
1963-1969 Hubert Humphrey/Eugene McCarthy(democrat)
1969-1976 Eugene McCarthy/Edwin S. Muskie(democrat)
1976-1981 Edwin S. Muskie/Nick Galifianakes(76-77)George McGovern(1976-81) (democrat)
1981-1989 Jerry Brown/Scoop Jackson(socialist)
1989-1993 Micheal Dukakis/Walter Mondale(republican)
1993-2001 Charles Manson/Hillary Clinton(democrat)
2001-2009 Lyndon Gunnip/Ross Perot(socialist)</i>

Trotsky moved to America and got involved in the labor movement in the 20s.

Al Smith made a better impression on people, especially during the 30s.

FDR's first two VPs were killed by jealous mistresses or husbands before they became VP, so Truman was chosen.

Eisenhower was injured in a freak accident on the last day of the war and retired from the military, and finally from public life altogether. He was a consultant on movies and TV programs, and with his son Milton wrote a number of mystery novels.

LBJ ran for the Texas state legislature but was caught with a mistress, lost the election, stayed in the oil business and became a rival with the founder of Ewing oil. He got into a fistfight with one J.R. Ewing at the edge of a parking garage and both fell ten stories to the pavement below. The incident was immortalized in a highly rated episode of the nighttime soap opera, Dynasty.

Nixon became a political commentator for NBC News, and later president of NBC.

Kennedy died in the arms of his final mistress, and there is still debate about whether she did it on purpose. Final Mistress is the title of a best-selling novel by Tom Clancy, which became a popular TV miniseries. It's 90% fiction.

Bill Clinton started a private law practice, only met Hilary once, made a pass at her and she hired a different lawyer.

Jimmy Carter is head of the Red Cross.

Gerald Ford coaches football at Harvard.

Spiro Agnew was governor of Delaware for many years. He managed to avoid too much trouble.

Up until 1990, Ronald Reagan was host of "Death Valley Days", the longest running prime time documentary series ever.

Dan Quayle was an actor on many popular TV shows including "The Love Boat", "Dynasty", and is the current host of "Death Valley Days".

Bush Sr. is head of the Johnson oil company, and his sons are vice-presidents in the company.

William Jenner tried to broker a peace deal in the Middle East and earned the distinction of being the only president to be assassinated *after* he left office. Who did it and why is still a matter of conjecture. It may have been the Arabs, the Israelis, the Chinese, the Koreans...

Charles Manson was born in 1934, and he's in the Internet Movie Database; most of his appearances are in archival footage, in documentaries.

Here's some information:

http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0543909/bio

So he would have to be adopted soon after he's born, his life is entirely different. He still has some moderate talent for music, and his political campaigns use a lot of music written and/or performed by himself.

Maybe, after WW I or WW II, the US tried to have more of a military, peacekeeping presence in Europe, or S. America, and it became a quagmire like Vietnam, so the anti-war movements started earlier. With that came women's lib starting earlier.

Ross Perot wouldn't settle for VP in OTL; he's not as wealthy in ATL but he's still got the same personality.
 
Hey, Straha, did you like my ideas?

I have a couple of additions about Charles Manson:

<i>His mother was an alcoholic who once left him with a barmaid for a pitcher of beer!</i>

OTL, she was briefly married; she marries someone else who gives him a different upbringing.

Or, the barmaid doesn't give him back, she adopts him instead, and his upbringing is entirely different.
 
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