AH Challenge: German Luxembourg

With no POD earlier that 1815, for OTL nation of Luxembourg to be an state within Germany by the present day.

The challenge is that Germany must still lose both World Wars.
 
PoD of 1815 and still two world wars? Man, that must be some large butterfly webs!
Well, TTL equivelant of the world wars. Frankly, they can be whatever war you like, from a Second Franco-German War to a full blown World War. The challenge is to try and prevent France from taking it away, either through local war or with allies across Europe.
 
The problem is the Prussians were the ones supporting the Dutch in the Belgian war of independance...

I suppose the ownership of Luxembourg was a big cause of the Franco-Prussian war, perhaps it does lead straight to the war early on and the Dutch agree to sell it to the Germans afterwards.
 

General Zod

Banned
The problem is the Prussians were the ones supporting the Dutch in the Belgian war of independance...

I don't see where the problem is, with that. The purpose of the Talleyrand plan, was precisely to ensure a lasting compromise by partitioning Belgium between France, Netherlands, and Prussians, instead of a fragile and artificial buffer state with Catholicism as its only glue. Wallonia to the French, Flanders to the Dutch, Liegi and Luxemburg to Prussia.

I suppose the ownership of Luxembourg was a big cause of the Franco-Prussian war, perhaps it does lead straight to the war early on and the Dutch agree to sell it to the Germans afterwards.

Yes, there were attempts by Napoleon III to buy Luxemburg in 1867. In OTL the resulting diplomatic crisis was settled by setting it up as an independent neutral mini-state. One may assume a POD by which it blooms into an earlier Franco-German war, and in such a case it is reasonable that the peace settlement awards it to Germany instead.
 
I don't see where the problem is, with that. The purpose of the Talleyrand plan, was precisely to ensure a lasting compromise by partitioning Belgium between France, Netherlands, and Prussians, instead of a fragile and artificial buffer state with Catholicism as its only glue. Wallonia to the French, Flanders to the Dutch, Liegi and Luxemburg to Prussia.
They can't grab out of there, that'd be a good place to do it otherwise.
 

Susano

Banned
Actually, during the Luxemburg Crisis in 1867 MANY Germans wanted to use this as excuse to go to war with France. Problem is, if we choose that as PoD, Luxemburg becomes a neuralgic place for France - probably it then becomes French when Germanxy loses its two big wars as per the opening post...
 

General Zod

Banned
Actually, during the Luxemburg Crisis in 1867 MANY Germans wanted to use this as excuse to go to war with France. Problem is, if we choose that as PoD, Luxemburg becomes a neuralgic place for France - probably it then becomes French when Germanxy loses its two big wars as per the opening post...

Not if they lose Alsace-Lorraine too in the same war. Returning A-L would have then looked as a decent soothing for their nationalgia in the eyes of the world. ;) France was not alone in defining the peace settlement at the end of either war, they craved for Saar and Rheineland too, but never got them for good.

Besides, all the more proof that the French have lost far too few wars for their good. A couple more triumphal marches of conquering armies on the Champs Elysees would have been an excellent shock therapy for their phantom province syndrome :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
ok. so i believe that the issue of the germans taking Luxembourg has been settled. to keep it after a war, whatever its severity, is in the air. so i have a suggestion. who said that they had to lose to the French? they just had to lose the war.

so. a localized war turns into a continental war. the Germans beat the French when its localized. but our of fustration, the Russians attack. and from there, it balloons.
 
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