AH Challenge: German-Czech-Polish triple kingdom
- Thread starter Kabraloth
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Different 30years war,
stronger division between Catholics and protestants along the Norh-West- South East curve,
the northern (protestant part) ruled by successors of Gustav Adolph in personal Union with Sweden,
in the South, the Wittelsbach dynasty rules catholic germany minus the Austrian Heartlands.
In the 18th century, one of the catholic dynasty dies out, and after the occassional war of succession, the catholic countries are united.
stronger division between Catholics and protestants along the Norh-West- South East curve,
the northern (protestant part) ruled by successors of Gustav Adolph in personal Union with Sweden,
in the South, the Wittelsbach dynasty rules catholic germany minus the Austrian Heartlands.
In the 18th century, one of the catholic dynasty dies out, and after the occassional war of succession, the catholic countries are united.
Max Sinister
Banned
Does it have to be all of Germany, or just a part of it? And while we're at it, how much of Poland has to be included? Only the part up to the Curzon line?
After 1815? But that is after Poland is partitioned, Bohemia was in Austria-Hungary sphere of influence and Germany... well Germany was all right back then.POD: After 1815.
Not too ASBish please.
Also notice that there are differences in religion and ethnicity. I'd say it is impossible - Will see if anyone can come with a plausible timeline.
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy
Banned
Does the monarchy have to be triple (3 separate crowns held by the same king) or can it be a case of good ol' conquest and annexation?
The Habsburgs get Poland somehow but Hungary and Croatia split off. It won't be a kingdom though.
Or the Prussians conquer Bohemia and Poland.
The Habsburgs get Poland somehow but Hungary and Croatia split off. It won't be a kingdom though.
Or the Prussians conquer Bohemia and Poland.
Conquest and annexation is fine, although I guess the surpreme ruler (most likely called emperor) should hold all three crowns.
Max Sinister
Banned
Großdeutsche (Greater German) solution? But that wouldn't be a unified kingdom... does it still count if the Austrian emperor becomes emperor of whole Germany too?
Susano
Banned
Well, okay, lets see.
We start with the often proposed stalemate in WW1 - Germany loses its colonies and Alsace-Lorraine, but basically gets everything east of it as playground. Let`s make WW1 more devasting, too, let's say, double or so as long as IOTL. As usual ( ), A-H falls due to war stress, and its Austrian territories are gobbled up by Germany.
However, post-war Germany is an unruly place, and the Poles and Czechs (and to a lesser degree also the Slovenes and Ukrainians, but as said only to a lesser degree) demand independance.
Finally, they are granted independance, just as Nazi-Germany-Equivalent France starts WW2. With the front soon being at the Elbe, but Czechia and Poland threatened, too, the three states agree to form a personal union under the German Emperor, which in the end can beat back France. And regain A-L and the colonies
As a matter of economical convinience, seeing that Europe just got devasted AGAIN, the Triple Kingdom is kept and will go on to form, together with France and the UK, the core of the EU.
Hm... actually... thats not too bad an idea for a TL...
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Or, alternatively, Austria joins the Crimean War on the allied side. Congress Poland becomes independant under a Habsburg. Franz Josef dies around 1905, and Crown Prince Rudolf did not commit suicide. Rather, he is now Emperor, and tries to enact his liberal reforms - a grand faiure. Russia sees a goo dopportunity and intervenes, leading to the Russo-Austrian of, say 1910-12. Not even Germany or Habsburg Poland are willing to help Rudolf, who they perceive as far too liberal. As a result, A-H crumbles, and the Habsbirgs are dethroned.
Now, with Germany's last ally taken out that way, France sees her own chance to attack the old enemy. Germany is defeated by France, Russia and Czechoslovakia, and dismantled, too.
However, then the Worldwide Derpession, starting in France, hits Europe, and most countries turn inwards. King Otto of Poland starts agitation in the German States for Habsburg Monarchism, while France counters only half-hearted. This does lead to the Saxonian-Hessian War about the Thuringian States, though, a war the Polish ally Saxony wins. As a result, France centralises the states still standing at her side (or rather: whsoe governments still stand at her side!) in a renwed Rhine Confederation, while the remaining, eastern states, enter alliances with Poland.
Russia, in the meanwhile, is involved in an own struggle of influence with teh Franco-Italian alliance in the Balkans, and thus supports Poland, including the intervention in Czechoslovakia. There, a nationalist Czech regime had begun repressive measures against Germans, Moravians, Slovakians and Hungarians, but were too focused on "national souvereignity" to accept any aid from the European hegemon France. This finally enabled Poland and the allied German states to intervene in Czechoslovakia. Slovakia is divided between Hunagry and Poland, while Otto is crowned King of Bohemia in Prague - and shortly afterwards, by the represent leaders of the allied German states, also Emperor of Germany.
The Tripe Monarchy thus includes Congress Poland, Czechia, North Slovakia, Saxony (incl. ex-Prussian Saxony), most of Thuringia, Brandenburg, Anhalt, Mecklenburg, Pommern, the Prussias, Posen, Silesia and Bavaria minus Franconia. Emperor-King Otto resides at Prague, as do most of the institutions shared by the three states.
We start with the often proposed stalemate in WW1 - Germany loses its colonies and Alsace-Lorraine, but basically gets everything east of it as playground. Let`s make WW1 more devasting, too, let's say, double or so as long as IOTL. As usual (
), A-H falls due to war stress, and its Austrian territories are gobbled up by Germany.However, post-war Germany is an unruly place, and the Poles and Czechs (and to a lesser degree also the Slovenes and Ukrainians, but as said only to a lesser degree) demand independance.
Finally, they are granted independance, just as Nazi-Germany-Equivalent France starts WW2. With the front soon being at the Elbe, but Czechia and Poland threatened, too, the three states agree to form a personal union under the German Emperor, which in the end can beat back France. And regain A-L and the colonies
As a matter of economical convinience, seeing that Europe just got devasted AGAIN, the Triple Kingdom is kept and will go on to form, together with France and the UK, the core of the EU.
Hm... actually... thats not too bad an idea for a TL...
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Or, alternatively, Austria joins the Crimean War on the allied side. Congress Poland becomes independant under a Habsburg. Franz Josef dies around 1905, and Crown Prince Rudolf did not commit suicide. Rather, he is now Emperor, and tries to enact his liberal reforms - a grand faiure. Russia sees a goo dopportunity and intervenes, leading to the Russo-Austrian of, say 1910-12. Not even Germany or Habsburg Poland are willing to help Rudolf, who they perceive as far too liberal. As a result, A-H crumbles, and the Habsbirgs are dethroned.
Now, with Germany's last ally taken out that way, France sees her own chance to attack the old enemy. Germany is defeated by France, Russia and Czechoslovakia, and dismantled, too.
However, then the Worldwide Derpession, starting in France, hits Europe, and most countries turn inwards. King Otto of Poland starts agitation in the German States for Habsburg Monarchism, while France counters only half-hearted. This does lead to the Saxonian-Hessian War about the Thuringian States, though, a war the Polish ally Saxony wins. As a result, France centralises the states still standing at her side (or rather: whsoe governments still stand at her side!) in a renwed Rhine Confederation, while the remaining, eastern states, enter alliances with Poland.
Russia, in the meanwhile, is involved in an own struggle of influence with teh Franco-Italian alliance in the Balkans, and thus supports Poland, including the intervention in Czechoslovakia. There, a nationalist Czech regime had begun repressive measures against Germans, Moravians, Slovakians and Hungarians, but were too focused on "national souvereignity" to accept any aid from the European hegemon France. This finally enabled Poland and the allied German states to intervene in Czechoslovakia. Slovakia is divided between Hunagry and Poland, while Otto is crowned King of Bohemia in Prague - and shortly afterwards, by the represent leaders of the allied German states, also Emperor of Germany.
The Tripe Monarchy thus includes Congress Poland, Czechia, North Slovakia, Saxony (incl. ex-Prussian Saxony), most of Thuringia, Brandenburg, Anhalt, Mecklenburg, Pommern, the Prussias, Posen, Silesia and Bavaria minus Franconia. Emperor-King Otto resides at Prague, as do most of the institutions shared by the three states.