AH Challenge: Galactic Republic History on Earth, wait, what?

Hmmmm. Should I just put this in ASB category? :confused: This might go into the area of semi-ASBism. What do you think? Maybe, you should read the challenge first.

As you can see ladies and gentlemen, I'm particularly fond of Star Wars. Hahaha. :D And of course about the Old Republic in particular. I'm just suggesting about the idea where we can put Star Wars like Old Republic history, "expansion", events and institutions in the flow of our world's history. Confused? :confused: Let me give sort of an analogy:

The only constitution OTL that I could think of using for this challenge that could sort of "withstand the currents of time" is nothing but the ancient Roman constitution. Now does this mean that the challenge is to make ancient Rome survive the coming of the steppe barbarians and then just conquer the world? Absolutely NOT! Hahaha! What I actually mean is to have the idea that there's an ever existing republic since 509 BC that just changes faces, constitutional structures and power centers; that is from a constitution governing a city state into a constitution establishing a degree of a stable international order just like OTL United Nations system, albeit how imperfect it is in doing its stated mission. The way it could be visualize is the idea how the ancient Roman Senate can have continuity to transform into a United Nations General Assembly. It is like how ancient Rome did not survive the barbarians but 'The Republic and the Constitution' survived in Constantinople. Then how Constantinople did not survive the Ottomans but again 'The Republic and Constitution' survived in Venice. Then the Republic left Venice in favor of Amsterdam and the Dutch Republic, then again left in favor of London and the crowned republicanism that the British introduced. Finally, it left London in favor of the nascent American confederation. Then when the Americans came into the world stage in 1945, the institutions of the Republic entered as a UN/EU like entity. Yes, the Constitution now covers the entire world, but the Republic is not governing as a world government, and especially this is not a Roman Republic continuing to exist until 2012 AD. It's just that the Republic going as far as its Roman creators continues to exist in many faces and different structures. If there's one institution that I expect to "exist" for 2,000 years, it is just 'The Senate' but the Senate of 2012 is of course not the same as the Senate of 1 AD, even in its looks.

It's actually confusing probably if you're going to think about this. :eek:

Wait, who's going to be the Jedi Knights? Basically, this real time warrior order's change of allegiances will provide the idea of how the Republic goes from one power center to another, until it became an international organization itself guaranteeing world peace. And the Senate's continuity comes from the Senate's majority of members of such time period of history was forced to leave the place it was currently in, forcing the Senate of the place to be gone due to circumstances and go to another place and was just assimilated there as still the nominal prestigious 'Senate' coming from its ancient Roman days but now with different functions depending on the situation. Or in case of becoming an international body of discussion of world issues; because let's say the office of long existing centuries old position of princeps senatus was abolished in the United States analogue and transformed into the Senate of the United Nations analogue. Or in whatever ways you can come up.

Yeah, I'm talking about 2,000 years of history here; but with the usual sort of familiar flow of shifts of power from Europe to the English speakers of North America, if that could happen.

And yes, it would be great if we can put analogues of Old Republic history events in our real time history too; so, who's gonna be the Sith? :p

I'm not talking here of the Force existing and such ok. That's why this is not in the ASB section.

I might do a timeline about this. But this is your challenge for now. Let's see your ideas about this.

Just in case you're all interested. :)
 
This is FUCKING AWESOME. I don't ever care if its ASB. Shall we get the clone wars too?

Ah no, no. I'm not looking for a perfect "cloning" ;) of Old Republic history, I just want sort of an Old Republic analogue in real history, sort of we can say that 'the Republic has existed for millenia' HERE in real life. A Second World War could be the closest to a clone wars, and if Star Wars has a Core-Mid Rim divide; our world has a North-South divide. But it's really different if you're going to see it closely. The Mid Rim wants Anglo-American laissez faire capitalism. Our Global South most likely doesn't want this.

And by the way, who's going to be the clone army? Hahaha. :p

We can just get some analogue events of Old Republic events, if it's truly possible to be put up inside the flow of our world history.
 
Knights Templar.....or at least on incarnation of it. And the purging of the Jedi was meant to, supposedly, meant to be reminiscent of the Knights Templar being disbanded.

Hmmm. Knights Templar is a good one, I've actually thought about them. But can a Catholic order slowly adapt new philosophies and ideologies across time without it disbanding itself. A sort of a 'New Age' Knights Templar as of 2012. Hmmm. Of course another issue is making them survive. With the Republic still based in Orthodox Constantinople as of the Crusades, the only place where the knights could start making itself a protector of the Republic is by the time that the Republic touched a Catholic dominated place, which is most likely the Venetian Republic. But will the Knights be accepted in Protestant Amsterdam, UK and USA? Hmmm.
 
Hmmm. Knights Templar is a good one, I've actually thought about them. But can a Catholic order slowly adapt new philosophies and ideologies across time without it disbanding itself. A sort of a 'New Age' Knights Templar as of 2012. Hmmm. Of course another issue is making them survive. With the Republic still based in Orthodox Constantinople as of the Crusades, the only place where the knights could start making itself a protector of the Republic is by the time that the Republic touched a Catholic dominated place, which is most likely the Venetian Republic. But will the Knights be accepted in Protestant Amsterdam, UK and USA? Hmmm.

Could the Knights become an order dedicated to Christendom, whether Catholic or Protestant? They would also be somehow respected by both the Catholic church and the Protestant churches, and of course the respective monarchs. The common people see the Knights as their defenders.
 
Could the Knights become an order dedicated to Christendom, whether Catholic or Protestant? They would also be somehow respected by both the Catholic church and the Protestant churches, and of course the respective monarchs. The common people see the Knights as their defenders.

Hmmm. Could be possible. And this is most likely just a Byzantinist version of the Templars, not the medieval ones themselves.
 
Just look at Old Republic history, there are those events that we could consider to have similarities in our world:

1. The Pius Dea cult in control of the Republic for 1,000 years and persecuting other religions could easily be the Republic during the 300 year Christian persecutions.

2. The Great Manifest Period in Star Wars universe could be put up as the Republic's Great American Manifest Period in pushing westwards (and other places too) from the Atlantic coastline, which is OTL's Manifest Destiny.

We can just also make 'the Dominate' less of a Dominate and keeping the pretensions that the Republic is still alive. The Old Republic history seems to show that democracy/republicanism is being undermined by its own politicians at certain times of its history. If Contispex I can create a millenia old dynasty of Supreme Chancellors and his cult can control the Republic for THAT long, albeit how fictional, how about here using our real time history? We can make a similarity too right?
 
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I think I'm going to make a Jedi Order out of the continued existence OTL of the Teutonic Knights and the creation its alternate American version, The Order of Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary and the Temple of Jerusalem's Dignified International Knights; known colloquially as the Teutonic Jedi Knights; headed during the American Revolution by none other than George Washington. The Most Roman Republic of the United States (official name since late 1790's) made the Teutonic Jedi Knights as the official protectors of the Republic, making them create "The Army of Light" along with a senatorial list of other military orders.

So far, that's what I've come up out of this idea of mine.

Out of the degrees of historical plausibility according to TV tropes, I'm applying a softer side of a Type II alternate history out of this timeline.

And a bonus, guess how the Americans are calling themselves, yes, Romans :cool:

Let me hear your thoughts on this. :)
 
Looking at the Contemplayns Hermi provision of the Galactic Constitution, I've come up with the idea of meditative solitude by introducing the idea of 'provisio meditationis solitudo' (if Google translate is at least right on this one) for the United States, France, Britain, Japan and Italy in the Paris Peace Conference of 1919; which admitted 'the rest of the world' into an expanded Republic.

The Al-Qaeda can be used in this scenario as an Islamic fundamentalist military order that wants to bring the Islamic world out of the Republic and create an independent Islamic Caliphate Confederacy. Whahaha. :D

Coruscant is of course New York City. The metropolitan area was actually transformed by the Atlantic Charter of 1943 into a powerful city-state with London, Vatican City and Washington, D.C. As of 2012, the power of major world cities and multinational corporations are corrupting the Republic; creating a large degree of resentment in the Global South, the equivalent of the rebellious Mid Rim which is the center of the Confederacy in the Star Wars universe. I don't know about the idea of Southern separatism though and an equivalent of a Clone Wars. No Roman Empire, global v.2 though! :p
 
I'm trying to sort of revive this thing.... but I want to ask...

Any real time example that could be used as our Mandalorians? ;)
 

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The only constitution OTL that I could think of using for this challenge that could sort of "withstand the currents of time" is nothing but the ancient Roman constitution. Now does this mean that the challenge is to make ancient Rome survive the coming of the steppe barbarians and then just conquer the world? Absolutely NOT! Hahaha! What I actually mean is to have the idea that there's an ever existing republic since 509 BC that just changes faces, constitutional structures and power centers; that is from a constitution governing a city state into a constitution establishing a degree of a stable international order just like OTL United Nations system, albeit how imperfect it is in doing its stated mission. The way it could be visualize is the idea how the ancient Roman Senate can have continuity to transform into a United Nations General Assembly. It is like how ancient Rome did not survive the barbarians but 'The Republic and the Constitution' survived in Constantinople. Then how Constantinople did not survive the Ottomans but again 'The Republic and Constitution' survived in Venice. Then the Republic left Venice in favor of Amsterdam and the Dutch Republic, then again left in favor of London and the crowned republicanism that the British introduced. Finally, it left London in favor of the nascent American confederation. Then when the Americans came into the world stage in 1945, the institutions of the Republic entered as a UN/EU like entity. Yes, the Constitution now covers the entire world, but the Republic is not governing as a world government, and especially this is not a Roman Republic continuing to exist until 2012 AD. It's just that the Republic going as far as its Roman creators continues to exist in many faces and different structures. If there's one institution that I expect to "exist" for 2,000 years, it is just 'The Senate' but the Senate of 2012 is of course not the same as the Senate of 1 AD, even in its looks.
Wouldn't the Roman Catholic Church fit the bill of Roman organization that "continues to exist in many faces and different structures"?
 
Wouldn't the Roman Catholic Church fit the bill of Roman organization that "continues to exist in many faces and different structures"?

In a way, yes, but we're talking of an Old Republic analogue here which existed for 25 millenia in Star Wars universe. I'm trying to duplicate that concept of an "eternal Republic" through a surviving "Roman" Republic, even though its no longer on its ancient Roman form. And for that to happen, only one institution can be kept in continuous existence... and that is the Senate, just moving headquarters and changing faces through millenia. The Senate and a written constitution in the inspiration of euromellow's ancient Rome timeline.... So now I'm adding the office of the Princeps too.

And then we will have our Teutonic Jedi Knights too as protectors of the Republic.
 
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