AH Challenge: China with an (non-Taiwan) overseas territroy

With a POD no earlier than 1500 AD, make it so that in the modern day, China has territory overseas other than Taiwan. The later your POD is, the better.
 
With a POD no earlier than 1500 AD, make it so that in the modern day, China has territory overseas other than Taiwan. The later your POD is, the better.


It would be interesting if China conquered Korea and tried to put Japan under Their thumb in the 1400-1500 time period. There would be a pretty decent change for China to conquer both.
 
It would be interesting if China conquered Korea and tried to put Japan under Their thumb in the 1400-1500 time period. There would be a pretty decent change for China to conquer both.

But didn't China traditionally prefer to leave those sort of things to the control of the local elites so long as those elites recognize Chinese supremacy and raise a tribute to the Imperial Capital once in a while?
 
But didn't China traditionally prefer to leave those sort of things to the control of the local elites so long as those elites recognize Chinese supremacy and raise a tribute to the Imperial Capital once in a while?


They left Korea alone because they paid tribute. They helped them against Japan because of the tribute they paid.
 
With a POD no earlier than 1500 AD, make it so that in the modern day, China has territory overseas other than Taiwan. The later your POD is, the better.
And other than the Spratly Islands I presume... :p

Spitballing here but what about a stronger 20th century China with a reunification/irredentism craze that wants the SE Asian Chinese communities to join the motherland upon decolonization?
 
control of the local elites so long as those elites recognize Chinese supremacy and raise a tribute to the Imperial Capital once in a while?
That's the trouble with all Chinese expansion/colonization what ifs I think.

Something needs to change early to get a Chinese mindset that looks outward instead of being content to let everything come to them and what doesn't isn't worth having.
 

katchen

Banned
Koxinga follows up his refuge on Taiwan by conquering Manila and the rest of the Philippines (which there is evidence OTTL he considered doing). He follows that up by conquering the Sultanate of Brunei, Pontianak and maybe Samarinda and Balikpapan on the east side of Borneo and Palu and maybe Manado and Makasar on Sulawesi. When the Q'ing conquer the Southeast Ming after Koxinga's death, naturally it is necessary to conquer his entire realm from the 1680s on. And for the Qienlung Emperor to devote time and energy to consolidating those conquests by taking the rest of Borneo and Sulawesi, even Bandjermasin on the south coast.
The Spanish, driven out of the Philippines by Koxinga, have regrouped at Guam and expanded to take the Moluccas, Timor, Flores, Sumbawa and Sumba from the Dutch and expand into New Guinea and the North coast of Australia continuing the Mexican silver "dollar" trade with Chinese merchants from there while the Dutch focus on Java, Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula all the way to Tenesarim and eventually, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Burma.
 
Koxinga follows up his refuge on Taiwan by conquering Manila and the rest of the Philippines (which there is evidence OTTL he considered doing). He follows that up by conquering the Sultanate of Brunei, Pontianak and maybe Samarinda and Balikpapan on the east side of Borneo and Palu and maybe Manado and Makasar on Sulawesi. When the Q'ing conquer the Southeast Ming after Koxinga's death, naturally it is necessary to conquer his entire realm from the 1680s on. And for the Qienlung Emperor to devote time and energy to consolidating those conquests by taking the rest of Borneo and Sulawesi, even Bandjermasin on the south coast.
The Spanish, driven out of the Philippines by Koxinga, have regrouped at Guam and expanded to take the Moluccas, Timor, Flores, Sumbawa and Sumba from the Dutch and expand into New Guinea and the North coast of Australia continuing the Mexican silver "dollar" trade with Chinese merchants from there while the Dutch focus on Java, Sumatra and the Malay Peninsula all the way to Tenesarim and eventually, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and Burma.
I think there is also a possibility that Qing would prop up Brunei against Ming for Brunei to regain its claimed territories, Brunei still had Palawan when Koxinga tried to invade and it is doubtful for Koxinga himself to win against the Macabebes who maintained the Spanish rule in Luzon since he does not have the support of the rebels who I think fought them, the rebels would most likely change side and defect to the Macabebes side(who would most likely get Qing support as well) once the Spanish lose their hold if he tried to invade Luzon it is most likely that he gets expelled sooner or later.
 
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Does Hainan count?
By 1500, Hainan had been under on-and-off Chinese control for centuries. As a site of exile, it reportedly was called "the gate of hell." Arguably, it wasn't fully Chinese in 1500, but the island would come under Chinese control eventually, so I don't think that counts.
 
Weren't the Ryukyu Islands at least theoretically a Chinese vassal-state until some point during the 19th century?
 
IMO, Southern Ming survives somehow, controlling South of Yangtze river and Delta Yangtze.
With North China is blocked by Qing Army, they develop maritime culture and expand to South East Asia. Logical moves will be Luzon and whole Philippine from the Borneo and so on... Then Southern Ming will transform itself into Republic and modernize earlier same time as Meiji Reform. When Qing collapse in early 20th century Southern Song will occupy whole China.
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
Well, if you know me, you can probably guess my suggestion...

The Lanfang Republic goes from a tributary state to a fully integrated part of China.
 
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