AH challenge: China invades rome

Now, we have TONS of AH whereby rome managed to take china some point in time.

So, how about creating a reverse scenario, where china managed to invade rome and parts of europe?

The POD and etc, is up to you guys to decide, and how long it takes to do it is also up to you guys to decide.
 
No PoD. The year is 2074...

The Chinese army has taken Rome in its blitz across Europe, setting up the puppet "Republic of Da Chi'en" in the former lands of the European Union's Italian and Dalmatian provinces. As the Chinese army approaches the European capital of Bruges, a complete capitulation and unconditional surrender is expected to come any moment. ;)

The Roman Empire? Not going to happen, IMO. :(
 
Well, I do not think it would be possible. The logistics are simply too disadvantageous for a large scale military campaign. Not to mention that Rome had a pretty good army. They'll also have naval superiority in the Med. The chinese army might at times have been more technologically advanced, but didn't it suffer from a lack of discipline and corruption?

Also, the chinese didn't really want to conquer. Meritocracy meant that nobles with crazy ideas of conquest didn't get very far.

The only way I could see it happen would be if China had a Qing dynasty style population boom during the Han dynasty. If the chinese spread west (unlikely due to the environment), they could populate large areas, and thus provide the logistics base necessary to support so many troops in the west.
 
Don't let a mongol hear that or you will loose your head. Mongols don't like Chinese and take it very personally. Even more personally than an austrian who is said that he is basically a german. :D

Chinese and Mongols aren't even that close ! They are different both in linguistic roots and racial origins (Mongols are Altaic, while Chinese are Sino-Tibetan)
 
Even back then there were big differences between china and mongols.


The culture between the Han and the Mongols is also different.

After the Yuan dynasty was founded, the differences had begun to blur. However, that was after the Mongols had stopped expanding, so they couldn't get to Rome.

I'd have to say this is ASB.
 
Would it count if I had a heavily sinicized Central Asian Empire that USED to part of China invade the Byzantine Empire?
 
Would it count if I had a heavily sinicized Central Asian Empire that USED to part of China invade the Byzantine Empire?

Well, he said Rome, and not the Roman Empire... so I think he meant the city of Rome. Maybe if you use a POD where Constantinople stays New Rome, and after the first city is sacked the second becomes just "Rome," then it could work.
 
Yup, in this scenario, china would need to reach the city of rome at the least.

I mean come on, so many people have created scenario where china was conquered by rome...at the least for a short time.

Surely those people can do a reverse sceanrio?
 
Yup, in this scenario, china would need to reach the city of rome at the least.

I mean come on, so many people have created scenario where china was conquered by rome...at the least for a short time.

Surely those people can do a reverse sceanrio?

Nobody's done Beiingdunium seriously, though, I wouldn't think.
 

~The Doctor~

On that note, Mongols are basically Chinese.

Or, in other words, the Mongols maintain control of China and successfully invade Europe, taking Rome and eventually pushing all the way to the Rhine. After a few decades this empire collapses, and the history of Europe for the next 200 years is about the struggle against the Mongol-controlled states of Eastern Europe.
 
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