AH Challenge: Carolingian England

As the title says. How could we have England (or part of it) as a territory of the Carolingian Empire? You can use any POD from the Battle of Tours (732) to the election of Hugh Capet to the French throne (987).

Sorry if it was already done, but I couldn't find any thread about it.
 
Apologies for bumping but this was part of my musings on the Carolingian Empire (the other being a Tetrarchy like division).

I think the 700s is a little too late but I see one way to get some of the Saxonshore:

The Britons better weather the Plague of Justinian slightly so that Angle and Saxon (etc) colonisation is slower though Britons still settle Armorica.
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OTL Devon is still part of Cornwall/Dumnonia and not Wwstern Wessex
An ATL Offa's dike is further East.
The Northumbrians do worse against the Cumbrians so Strathclyde is bigger, a rump Rheged survives on the west coast, and Chester is Caerleon under Rheged or Gwynedd.

With a weaker Wessex, Mercia and Northumbria end up the dominant Kingdoms for longer. With Mercia looking north, the Saxon Shore Kingdoms become more linked with the Franks so when Mercia and Northumbria merge they join up with the nascent Frankish Empire to avoid assimilation.
 
Unlikely. I don't remember of any christian kingdom or duchy having joined the Carolingian Empire without conquest.
You can have nominal alliegance to Charlemagne, as Asturias did in 800's; but without conquest it would be all.

Concerning conquest : Why? How?
Why? Charlemagne (not even talking of his sucessors) had more priorities in the East or in the South-East and there were relativly good relations (with middle-Ages diplomcay being almost inexistant) with some Anglo-Saxons kingdoms (their cultural prestige being due to the quality of their scholars). Finally as the Carolingian conquest are based on the plunder and the search of gold to inject it into the pre-feudal economy...there were soooo many more vulnerable and more doable targets.

How? Ok, let's say that Charlemagne want to attack for the fuck of it. Have Carolingian Empire have enough boats to invade England? It's not like if all the trade roads in western Christianity were essentially terrestrials.
And if you're thinking about the reduced number of ship assuring trade between England and Francia, not able to transport the army (let's say that only 1/20 of the army would be necessary, around 5 000) without real way of logistic or withdraw...
 
I suppose one could have Herbert de Vermandois get Eudes married to a daughter of William the Conqueror and have their son inherit through fortuitous circumstances.

All hail the House of Carling, Kings of England!
 
Unlikely. I don't remember of any christian kingdom or duchy having joined the Carolingian Empire without conquest.
You can have nominal alliegance to Charlemagne, as Asturias did in 800's; but without conquest it would be all.

Concerning conquest : Why? How?
Why? Charlemagne (not even talking of his sucessors) had more priorities in the East or in the South-East and there were relativly good relations (with middle-Ages diplomcay being almost inexistant) with some Anglo-Saxons kingdoms (their cultural prestige being due to the quality of their scholars). Finally as the Carolingian conquest are based on the plunder and the search of gold to inject it into the pre-feudal economy...there were soooo many more vulnerable and more doable targets.

How? Ok, let's say that Charlemagne want to attack for the fuck of it. Have Carolingian Empire have enough boats to invade England? It's not like if all the trade roads in western Christianity were essentially terrestrials.
And if you're thinking about the reduced number of ship assuring trade between England and Francia, not able to transport the army (let's say that only 1/20 of the army would be necessary, around 5 000) without real way of logistic or withdraw...

Well, yes you're right.
Fun thinking about though ;)

PS got a good basemap of the Carolingian Provinces?
 
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