AH Challenge: an 'evil' millenial generation/Toxic Pirate Generation

Straha

Banned
diffin's description of the generations in his crazy days TL gave me a nice evil idea for..... The Toxic Pirate Generation!

what PODs are needed to have the millenial generation not be nicer and more left leaning than generation X? Your mission is you choose to accept it is to make the millenial generation nihilistic,racist,authoritarian and fanatic. Bonus points are givne if you make the draka series of books(for your TL you can have Stirling's unreleased draka books(the laughter of the guns,Under The Shadow(about draka earth america in the protracted sttruggle in the draka timeline),Unto Us a child,Heavy Iron and the domination centuries trilogies)). If you include the unreleased books you HAVE to make *ALL* of the books into movies(extra points for an anime style bunch of draka TV series). Extra bonus points if you can change the pop culture to make upbeat music like britney spears be goen and have the goth/metal/punk subculture dominant. If you're really goign for the goal and want to *REALLY* amaze us make the draka books into movies,have alternate history be a major genre,have the hobbit AND the LOTR movies but have fantasy dying,have a resurgence of science fiction as THE genre and have upbeat pop music be unpopular. If you want to try to shorten the lengh of the generation to make it easier you have to have the toxic pirates at a minimum be born from 1986-1996

some possible PODs that could lead to a 'Toxic Pirate" genertation or at a minimum more self absorbed and hedonistic millenials

1 the boomers get more sucessful in their political struggles with a sucessful ERA,fuly legal abortion,legla drugs and end of selective service. This means that the millenials/toxic pirates don't get shefted outo f the fun their parents enjoyed and are less sheltered.

2 no WTC 1993 bombing to enbolden Al Qeada and thereby neverecause thme to end the goodtimes of the 90's with 9/11

3 no 9/11(if you try this I want to at least see some beginnings of change in the toxic pirate direction)

4 no barny the dinosaur/sesame street

5 later televangelist scandals during say... the carter,reagan or clinton admistrations.
 
How is that all that different from the way a lot of millenials became post-9/11? I mean, I know kids at school who make me look left-libertarian! And don't even get me started on all the anti-Arab/Hispanic racists...
 

Straha

Banned
I'm talking about making it a BIG part not one that appeared post 9/11. The greater penetration of the draka series by making it bigger and more influential would be a big part of a toxic pirate generation. Have grunge survive longer and be more influential, we'd see alot more nihilistic boy bands than OTL. The upbeat pop culture would be drowned out by the toxic pirate part of it. Rap music in this TL would be nihilistic and preaching violence to a degree that makes OTL seem like nothing. Instead of the harry potter books influencing kids we get the draka books doing it so we have a smarter but darker millenial generation. my For All Strange Days TL has the millenial generation be like the generation I'm mention.

soo do you think thats a good name for the generation? I picked the name becuase it shows the nihilistic hedonistic side of it. And in the timeline I'm managing to screw up the last few cohorts of generation X by making them hedonistic.

toxic pirate TL part 1: Setting the state for the lords of darkness(1970-1990)

1971-smoking ads are NOT banned on TV
-a mix of easilly avaible chemcials is found to cure *ALL* STDS indlucing ones that haven't been discovered yet

1972-in an improblale rush of sucess drugs are legalized,the ERA is passed,endangered species act passed and the morals legislation is practically overturned(the hedonistic part)

1976-sesame street cancelled due to falling ratings
-ford reelected
-tipper gore and other future politicians who IOTL will pass child protection/morals/'save the kids' laws either decide not to go into politics or not worry about the nation's kids.

1977-Lipschitz writes his series of childcare books which are basically a reworded version of Dr. spock. These books are used as a parenting bible from 1977 until well into the first few decades of the 21st century.

1980-the national speed limit is raised to 85
-Reagan elected president
-a virulent and fastspreading form of ebola breaks loose out of africa(THIS is how we get the toxic pirate generation to be anti-immigrant and without the reaction against the sexual re)

1982-a planned law to raise the age for buying alcohol is vetoed by the president
-toho decides to continue releasing godzilla movies in america

1984-the proposal for educational shows aimed at kids is rejected

1985-S.M. Stirling releases a book that becomes *VERY* popular in short order, that book is "The Laughter of the Guns" which is the first of several in the draka and the domination centuries series of novels. Most kids of the 90's will remember seeing their parents curled up with a draka novel and when they get able to read they eventually discover the noval.
-S.M. stirling is persuaded to allow them to make the draka books into movies
-S.M stirling also writes Marching throguh georige

1986-the laughtr of the guns is a hit movie and even though it takes place during the WWI of an alternate history is seen by many kids/teens as being THE definitive movie of their time
-the book UNder the yoke is written by S.M stirling
-Barney the purple dinosaur is rejected as a show idea, however the "barney" suit will be used by porn stars and comedians in the 90's.

1987-Marching throguh georgia is released as a hit film,
-under the yoke is a hit novel
-a dictatorship takes power in yugoslavia(this one makes milosovic or saddam look like choir boys)

1988-under the yoke is released as a hit film
-under the shadow is a hit novel
-George Bush elected president in a near run election with 1 florida electoral vote making him win

1989-under the shadow is released as a hit film
-the stone dogs is a hit novel

1990-The Stone Dogs is released and is a hit
-Drakon is a best selling novel.
 
No, I think ToXic Generation or the New Order Generation are better names. Anyway, I think it's tough to get a society to be both authoritarian and hedonistic (though some Asian societies have managed to, and often the rulers of authoritarian/totalitarian states live hedonistic lifestyles). A more realistic goal IMHO is to try and get a increasingly hedonistic society, then have a major backlash occur after a crisis occurs and society continues to go downhill, with people turning to authoritarian (possibly racist) governments.*

*Which is essentially what happened in Weimar Republic-era Germany.
 

Straha

Banned
ok soo the new order generation it is then!! but the name toXic generation will also be used...

what I'm shooting for is a genration thats nihilistic,hedonistic,anarchistic and militant. The society as a whole won't be more authoritarina but the different subcultures would be. Youth culture is divided into many subcultured many of which are'nt present IOTL(neo-beatniks,capitolistas,neo-anarchists and aristoi(imagine the excesses of hippies combined with the dress style of aristocrats),Drakons(draka freaks)) for some of them...

some things you'll see in this timline

1 drug culture and dungeons and dragons merging.. with Bill Gate's involvement

2 Bush I getting us into war in the balkans

3 Clinton pulling an LBJ with the balkan wars

4 woodstock 1998 enouht said

5 the second summer of love
 
Where did you hear about the other Draka books? "Laughter of the Guns" and "Unto Us a Child" I've heard of (though all I know about "Laughter" is that it's WWI and I know nothing about "Unto Us"). Where I can find out more of them (including storylines)?
 

Straha

Banned
I've only heard their names. Heavy Iron was merely an idea that was suggested of having a book take place in the samothracian offensive at the end of Drakon. Under The Shadow was again an idea that was suggested, someone said they'd like to see a book on the USA during the protracted struggle so I simply gave that idea a form. Unto Us a Child takes place 20-30 years after Drakon and the domination centuries trilogy would be a published version of the domination centuries trilogy on the stirling yahoo group.
 
--what PODs are needed to have the millenial generation not be nicer and more left leaning than generation X?---

Are you followinf the Howe/Srauss theory on Generations? Dont they have the millenials as being more conservative and button-down than we Gen X'ers?
 
are there really more conservatives now than there used to be, percentage wise? I had the idea that conservatives, like liberals, were in the decline, and the moderates of both parties were increasing...
One interesting note: according to a recent Time, the number of declared Republican voters is ahead of that of declared Democrats.. not by much, just a percentage point or so. That's indicative of a shift to the right in general, but not necessarily the far right....
 
David Howery said:
are there really more conservatives now than there used to be, percentage wise? I had the idea that conservatives, like liberals, were in the decline, and the moderates of both parties were increasing...
One interesting note: according to a recent Time, the number of declared Republican voters is ahead of that of declared Democrats.. not by much, just a percentage point or so. That's indicative of a shift to the right in general, but not necessarily the far right....

I think what we're seeing with a lot of young people is that they're not becoming part of the "left-right" political spectrum. They're taking different parts of the right and the left, and forming new ideologies. Note the growth of Libertarianism, "Radical-Centrism", Populism (it's coming back, though obviously most people don't know about or realize it) and other non-Traditional Conservative/Liberal philosophies. Bush has even been called a "Big government Conservative" (which last time I checked seemed to be a pretty Populist trait, though Bush is still what I would call a free-market neo-Conservative).

Clearly, politics are slowly shifting from the simple "Big government liberal/socialist", "moderate/centrist," and "small government conservative/reactionary" model which so many people in this country have been boxed into for generations.
 

Straha

Banned
in my For All Strange Days TL I have the millenial generation be more evil and they still have the saving the world mentality but its turned in a darker way. This is reflected in the 2020 election of diffin on the national populaist ticket,Rush Limbaugh in 2024 of the national revival and Brian Bader in 2028. From 2028-2156, America is an authoritarian nation that somethimes swings to totalitarianism and rarely outbreaks of democracy. Diffin manages to get elected president(the presidents of the first imperium Americanorum are Bader(2028-2036),Howery(2036-2040),Diffin(2040-2048),Long(2048),Dromms(2049-2056),Carter II(2056-2060),Jason Eldridge,(2060-2068)Gunnip II(2068-2070),Ingolffson(2070-2074),Kolker(2074-2082),Diffin II (2082),Phelan(2082-2090),Montgomerie(2090-2094),Al Jafar(2094),Dromms II(2094),Jackson(2094),Howery II(2094-2096),Monoghan(2096-2098),Mondale III(2098-2100),Smith III(2100-2104),Kolker II(2104-2012),Quinn II(2112-2116),Howery III(2116-2124),Shiplord Straha(2124-2132)(he's the RACE's straha not your forum straha),Veasey(2132-2134),Howery-dromms(2134-2136),Thurmond(2136-2138),Nyarlotep(2138-2140),MacClintock(2140-2142),Ironfoundersson(2142-2144),Gunnarsson(2144-2146),Chesney(2146-2148),Clark,(2148-2150),Long II(2150-2154),Cthulu (2154-2146),Rand III(2156),D'Adamo(2156),Carter III(2156),Hitler III(2156),Parlour(2156),Mondale IV(2156),(2156),Diffin III(2156),Jackson II(2156),Piccone III(2156),Issagholian III(2156),Dunkelzahn(2156),Mondale V(2156),Mazanec III(2156),Gunnip III(2156),McCarthy III(2156),Stalin IV(2156),Miyamoto(2156)Yankovic,(2156),Von Shrakenburg(2156),Goldberg(2156),Bader III(2156),Fleck(2156-present)
 
SurfNTurfStraha said:
in my For All Strange Days TL I have the millenial generation be more evil and they still have the saving the world mentality but its turned in a darker way.

I don't see this generation as having a "saving the world" mentality in the least. For one thing, many tend to forget there is a world outside of where they live. What this generation does have is a general group-mentality, and an apathy towards what goes on outside of their lives. And often if given an opinion by someone they trust, many will automatically adopt it, sometimes even if it contradicts something which they heard earlier (It's kind of sad actually). Those sorts of tendencies of "group think" combined with apathy towards what the government does so long as it does something are very much a recipe for really twisted, evil societies. But hey, don’t take my word for it; just ask any of the still-living Hitler Youth.
 
Straha,

So those titles aren't forthcoming books by Stirling, they're suggestions by fans?

I'd heard that continuing the Draka series was suspended indefinitely b/c of troubles with Baen (the publisher).

Shoot. I want the Samothracians to wipe the Draka off the face of the universe (they were barely stopped in "Drakon"; the second wave should smash the Domination to pieces).
 
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