AH challenge, Americans out of Vietnam on same day Soviets out of Afghanistan

These two proxy wars both had the effect of humbling a superpower, and both took place in the 70s. So, with any POD you want, have the Americans pull out of Vietnam on the same day (or at the very least, the same year) as the Soviets pull out of Afghanistan. If this did happen, what effects would it have on global geo-politics?
 
The Marxist goverment in Afghanistan came to power on it's own without Soviet help however they wernt as malleable as Moscow wanted to the Soviet leaders decided to intervene to install their own man.

This was probably unnecessary as the new Marxist government would’ve needed some degree Soviet aid anyhow and would've fallen in the Soviet orbit on their own, but the near-senile Brezhnev’s ham-fisted decision turn Afghanistan into an outright puppet by force destroyed the Afghan government’s legitimacy and robbed if of any popular support it may have possessed.

If the Soviet's play this smarter the goverment in Kabul can maybe establish control over most of Afghanistan within a few years. (likely with sporadic guerrilla fighting still ongoing)

That sorts out the Soviet as for Vietnam anyone got a plauable way they can stay there untill at least 1979? Or maybe win.;)
 
These two proxy wars both had the effect of humbling a superpower, and both took place in the 70s. So, with any POD you want, have the Americans pull out of Vietnam on the same day (or at the very least, the same year) as the Soviets pull out of Afghanistan. If this did happen, what effects would it have on global geo-politics?

The US first entered Vietnam during Kennedy's term around 1961-62. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan 18 years later in 1979.

Both wars had completely different timelines.....
 
yes like he said it did u need the u.s win but then face a massive uprising and the soviets intervening earlier with deadlier conqueces
 
Perhaps the numbers of US forces stayed small? 10-20 thousand range? Only volunteers?

THus far reducing the political and economic costs.
 
The Marxist goverment in Afghanistan came to power on it's own without Soviet help however they wernt as malleable as Moscow wanted to the Soviet leaders decided to intervene to install their own man.

This was probably unnecessary as the new Marxist government would’ve needed some degree Soviet aid anyhow and would've fallen in the Soviet orbit on their own, but the near-senile Brezhnev’s ham-fisted decision turn Afghanistan into an outright puppet by force destroyed the Afghan government’s legitimacy and robbed if of any popular support it may have possessed.

If the Soviet's play this smarter the goverment in Kabul can maybe establish control over most of Afghanistan within a few years. (likely with sporadic guerrilla fighting still ongoing)

I like it.
That sorts out the Soviet as for Vietnam anyone got a plauable way they can stay there untill at least 1979? Or maybe win.;)
No. Both have to suffer a humilating defeat in a third world proxy war at the same time. That's the whole point of this thread. It doesn't even have to be those two wars. Just as long as they both suffer a humilating defeat at the same time.
 
So the US could face another humiliating defeat. I think the easiest way is having them bogging down in South America during the 80's.
 
The US first entered Vietnam during Kennedy's term around 1961-62. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan 18 years later in 1979.

Actually, Kennedy only continued a policy of sending advisers, aid and some minimal troop support from Eisenhower. So the US first got involved under Eisenhower and the full blown war and massive US intervention (and troop infusion into the Indo-Chinese conflict) was under Johnson.

You could follow a Watchman/BTTF 2 thing and have Nixon continue to run and run and run and promise to get troops out of Vietnam by 1980-something.
 
well, obviously we have two ways of doing this, speed Soviet involvement or delay US exit, preferably both at the same time

delayed US exit. Hmmmmm. French do better but still loose (or at least have to pull out and recognise Vietnamese independance). So, better campaign that somehow removes part of VM leadership. VM accepts partition plan ("temporary"), French pull out of north but retain presence in South. Slowly they decolonise Vietnam (focusing on Algeria instead?). sensing weakness North decides to have a go at unification, VC campaign in South increases, US sees this as a threat and decide to help, OTL style. Sino-Soviet split is really complicating matters, specially as Chinese involvement in A'stan increases. Soviets send aid to North but less then OTL. Camapign drags on, results in massive Tet-like uprising which is somewhat successful even military wise. US decides to call it quits, packs and leaves. Mid 1980s? OK.

Soviets invade a few years earlier. maybe mujahedeen are more successfull, amybe A'stani CP infighting is worse, maybe Iranain revolution happens a bit earlier, anyway, Soviets are in by mid-1970s, OTL scale. US sensing they can cause troubles for SU, returning the favour for Vietnam, send aid. chinese, as part of thaw in Sino-US relations decide to do it as well, sending it through Pakistan. War drags on for a decade, in mid 1980s Soviets decide enough is really enough, launch massive, country-wide offensive, declare victory and pull out. few are fooled by such declarations, they realise SU couldn't handle bunch of cave-dwelling muslims and troubles erupt in Stans. amssive soviet crackdown only causes simialr troubles to spring up from Caucasus to Baltics, SU collapses in early 1990s but truckloads of regional conflicts erupt on it's ruins.

how's that?

EDIT: Vietnam and A'stan could be neatly tied together with both sides offering to cut aid to other side's enemies in exchange for their respective pull-outs. Unofficially of course.
 
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