AH Challenge: A Modern Day Strong Mongolia

With a POD post-1900, make Mongolia a strong state, and not just a backwater nation pushed back and forth between China and Russia. Double points if you can somehow link it back to the Mongol Empire, historically or otherwise. Also, is there any chance to have a Vatican-style situation in Mongolia for, say, a Mongolian monarchy or something?
 
Well, in my TL, Mongolia is strong again because of the rule of the Baron von Sternberg but it is part of a much larger empire including Russia and China but the capital of this Empire is Urga (OTL Ulan Bataar), so this huge empire is centered in Mongolia and many of its prominent leaders are Mongolian. Also, it is linked historically and "spiritually" you could say to the old Mongol Empire as the Baron saw himself as a reincarnation of Genghis Khan and saw his mission as the restoration of Genghis' old empire.
 
With a POD post-1900, make Mongolia a strong state, and not just a backwater nation pushed back and forth between China and Russia. Double points if you can somehow link it back to the Mongol Empire, historically or otherwise. Also, is there any chance to have a Vatican-style situation in Mongolia for, say, a Mongolian monarchy or something?
Make Mongolia the refuge for Whites beaten in Russian Civil War. This way it can be pretty powerful, but not too Mongolian.
 
In 1911, the Mongols elected Bogd Khan as the Khan of the Mongols. The cities in Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang with Mongol majorities also proclaimed loyalty to the Bogd Khan. In 1919 IOTL, Chinese troops occupied Mongolia.

POD: Mongolian forces drive the Chinese out in 1919 and maintain their independence. Therefore, the Mongolian People's Party is not founded and the Bogd Khan remains in power. When Russia collapses into civil war, the Mongols use the situation to their advantage, occupying Tuva and Buryatia. When the warlords take power in China, the Mongol Khanate wages war against the Xibei San Ma warlords and the East Turkestani Republics.

If Japan invades China, the Mongols ally with Japan and seize more Chinese territory, becoming even more powerful and strong enough to resist Chinese, Russian, and Japanese incursions.
 
And Soviets would have let them live why?

Perhaps because the place they live in isn't quite capable of sustaining an empire that can threaten the Soviet Union, or at least, that's what the Bolsheviks would think.

Like China and Taiwan. Taiwan poses no threat to China, but invading it would be to costly compared to al the gains. And if you just ignore it, it will probably keep it's mouth shut.
 

bard32

Banned
With a POD post-1900, make Mongolia a strong state, and not just a backwater nation pushed back and forth between China and Russia. Double points if you can somehow link it back to the Mongol Empire, historically or otherwise. Also, is there any chance to have a Vatican-style situation in Mongolia for, say, a Mongolian monarchy or something?

Push the POD back to post-1300. Then have a series of strong Mongol rulers
similar to Ghengis Khan.
 
And Soviets would have let them live why?
Soviets were not all that set on exterminating White groups outside of their recognized territory. Pretty numerous Russian population lived along Chinese Eastern Railway until late-1940s, when Mao "repatriated" them. yes, Red invasion will be a threat, but if (and that's a big "if", I can't think of single Russian White politico capable of pulling off such a trick) Whites can secure Japanese guarantees, for example... All in all, Reds can be contained on the former Russian Imperial border by international pressure pre-1941, so White Mongolia has 20 years to pull a trick. Feces will really hit the fan for them in 1945-1965, when they will be landlocked between USSR and Mao.
 
Soviets were not all that set on exterminating White groups outside of their recognized territory. Pretty numerous Russian population lived along Chinese Eastern Railway until late-1940s, when Mao "repatriated" them. yes, Red invasion will be a threat, but if (and that's a big "if", I can't think of single Russian White politico capable of pulling off such a trick) Whites can secure Japanese guarantees, for example... All in all, Reds can be contained on the former Russian Imperial border by international pressure pre-1941, so White Mongolia has 20 years to pull a trick. Feces will really hit the fan for them in 1945-1965, when they will be landlocked between USSR and Mao.

Would a strong White presence in the East be enough to tip the Chinese Civil War in Kai-Shek's favor?
 
Would a strong White presence in the East be enough to tip the Chinese Civil War in Kai-Shek's favor?
I don't think so. Longevity and resilience of the communist underground in 1925-1949 China speaks volumes of Chinese support for the idea. Communism hadn't been brought there on the Soviet bayonets, it's homegrown. And even several millions Whites can't turn the course of civil war in half-bil (then) China.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
I don't think so. Longevity and resilience of the communist underground in 1925-1949 China speaks volumes of Chinese support for the idea. Communism hadn't been brought there on the Soviet bayonets, it's homegrown. And even several millions Whites can't turn the course of civil war in half-bil (then) China.

Maybe if they conquered Inner Mongolia in the thirties, at the time it was only home to 7 million people*. That could mean a stronger Mongolia even if it was dominated by it's Russian minority.

*http://www.populstat.info/
 
Maybe if they conquered Inner Mongolia in the thirties, at the time it was only home to 7 million people*. That could mean a stronger Mongolia even if it was dominated by it's Russian minority.

*http://www.populstat.info/
Still too few of them (and we didn't even touch the fact that Mongols themselves hadn't been immune to Socialist ideas, to put it mildly). Beside, direct foreign intervention of the Great White Mongolia in China's civil war will inevitably lead to it's alliance with Japan and Mongolia becoming Axis member. Soviets would smash Axis Mongolia very thoroughly in 1945.
 

Valdemar II

Banned
Still too few of them (and we didn't even touch the fact that Mongols themselves hadn't been immune to Socialist ideas, to put it mildly). Beside, direct foreign intervention of the Great White Mongolia in China's civil war will inevitably lead to it's alliance with Japan and Mongolia becoming Axis member. Soviets would smash Axis Mongolia very thoroughly in 1945.

I think they could avoid becoming a Axis member with a little smart diplomacy, if they don't declare war on anybody but China in thirties and make peace with China when Inner Mongolia is under their control and join the allies in 1945.
 
I think they could avoid becoming a Axis member with a little smart diplomacy, if they don't declare war on anybody but China in thirties and make peace with China when Inner Mongolia is under their control and join the allies in 1945.
ASB. See Finland's example. They went to a great lengths to position itself as "anti-Soviet, but not Axis", but had been generally dragged into one of the camps nonetherless. Their only chance of getting Inner Mongolia is to complete conquest by 1935 (pre-WWII) and be strictly (or at least Thai-style) neutral in WWII.
 
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