AH Challenge: A German invasion of the United States

If anybody could have done it, the Germans could have. Their High Seas Fleet, the equivalent of the Royal Navy's Home Fleet, could probably have snuck past the Royal Navy in a fog. That's what happened in World War II when the German ships Scharnhorst and Prinz Eugen made their Channel dash. The Germans could have been off the East Coast of the United States in no time at all. Remember at this time, it was easier to get past the Royal
Navy because there were no spy satellites.

In all the fog you forgot the Gneisenau which accompanied the Scharnhorst and Prin Eugen.
 
1. I rote about this so-called plan in a major German newspaper in the early 90´s. Old news, literally.

2. The plan was not so much a plan to invade the USA, but rather an explanation why Germany could not invade the USA given the actual and possible circumstances.

Or in other words: They said, "That´s ASB!" to His Majesty.

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Guys, come on! Did you forget the so-called high Seas Fleet was a)in it´s infancy around 1900 and b)designed for operations in the central and southern North Sea? And about France? They wanted a re-match for 1870 for a long time. And last but not least this piece of crap called the book 1901! Christ, what a junk. The author does not get even the most basic fact about the german system of government right. Any high school student with acess to wikipedia could have made far less mistakes.
You mind summing up the points of the essay? Or were they already summed up on this thread, and I'm just missing them?
 

Markus

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You mind summing up the points of the essay? Or were they already summed up on this thread, and I'm just missing them?

The newspaper did not give all the details, but there was one absolutely necessary and impossible to get precondition: a free hand in Europe!
That means neither the UK, nor France, nor Russia in opposition to Germany and thus using the opportunity of Germany waging a war on the other side of the Atlantic. I think they also went into the impossible logistics and the sheer size of the USA, but that´s small potatoes compared the tense political situation in Europe.
 

bard32

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The WW1 plans for German Invasion into US are new to me
The WW2 plans are part of bigger plan.

bevor world war 2 high rang Nazi and Military plot a General warplan.
this plan was blessed by Hitler
Phase one
conquest of Europe and USSR to Ural (WW2 1939-1945)
destroy the Enermy of Thrid Reich and secure Resources and living space
Phase two
conquest of Africa and near east and India to Japanies Empire border
Phase three
Conquest of rest of world

to realistic point of view.
imagine D-Day with a transport distant of 6600 km.
defacto is D-Day a US Join-ventur Invasion of Germany !
only they had England as allies and storage place and Start point for Invasion.

has US coast a simlear Start point ?
Newfoundland or Nova Scotia in Canada
i know this is a invasion of US, let asume England in occupied by the German.
and US secret servis thinks (wrong) the Germans only want to occupied canada.

from Nova Scotia they can made D-day like invasion on US state Maine
move with Blitzkrieg to Boston, New York, Philadelphia to Washington D.C.
the german invasion force will be focus on east coast
with The Appalachian Mountains as natural barrier.
because they have to control the area, secure supply by US Factory
get every drop of fuel for there warmaschine. ( and Ammo )

and US Goverment and Military ?
after Shock of Invasion and Panik, the Goverment gona be evacuated to St. Louis.
in Washington D.C. every Goverment build burns, only to left burn earth for Germans troops.

but major problems for Germans in US
the US warmaschine supply by Detroit, Denver, California
and George S. Patton ( captain in WW1, 4 star genernal in WW2)

he will lead the conterattac on German Forces from South Carolina
and hell he gona be piss off on them.

also the Resistance by National Rifle Association

so in the end, the Invasion (in WW1 or WW2) gona end in Fiasco for Germany

Hitler, in his unpublished second book, said that wanted to in the United States no later than 1980.
 
Hitler, in his unpublished second book, said that wanted to in the United States no later than 1980.

Are you presenting, of all things, a book written by Hitler as factual evidence that this could have happened? And isn't your initial TL in the early 1900s?
 

bard32

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1. I rote about this so-called plan in a major German newspaper in the early 90´s. Old news, literally.

2. The plan was not so much a plan to invade the USA, but rather an explanation why Germany could not invade the USA given the actual and possible circumstances.

Or in other words: They said, "That´s ASB!" to His Majesty.

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Guys, come on! Did you forget the so-called high Seas Fleet was a)in it´s infancy around 1900 and b)designed for operations in the central and southern North Sea? And about France? They wanted a re-match for 1870 for a long time. And last but not least this piece of crap called the book 1901! Christ, what a junk. The author does not get even the most basic fact about the german system of government right. Any high school student with acess to wikipedia could have made far less mistakes.

I haven't read 1901. I read about it 2002. However, I first read about it back in 1982. The High Seas Fleet was a blue-water fleet. Conceivably, it could have come across the Atlantic. Germany wanted revenge for our denying it
an empire in the Pacific.
 

MrP

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I haven't read 1901. I read about it 2002. However, I first read about it back in 1982. The High Seas Fleet was a blue-water fleet. Conceivably, it could have come across the Atlantic. Germany wanted revenge for our denying it
an empire in the Pacific.

If one opens one's mind beyond a certain point, one might as well be taking mind-altering substances, old boy. ;)

It is technically possible for the German Navy of 1901 to have crossed the Atlantic. I can conceive of that. However, that it would have been ordered so to do as escort for an invasion fleet? That's where I'm falling down.

You clearly like these interesting ideas - have you heard of War Plan Red? I think you might like it. Just don't post a thread in a non-ASB forum about it!
 
If one opens one's mind beyond a certain point, one might as well be taking mind-altering substances, old boy. ;)

It is technically possible for the German Navy of 1901 to have crossed the Atlantic. I can conceive of that. However, that it would have been ordered so to do as escort for an invasion fleet? That's where I'm falling down.

You clearly like these interesting ideas - have you heard of War Plan Red? I think you might like it. Just don't post a thread in a non-ASB forum about it!

Screw War Plan Red. Defence Scheme #1 all the way!
 
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