AH challenge: 23 nations on earth?
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Yeah, I think if you delayed the breakup of the Spanish Empire this could actually be pretty easy.
Okay, here's a map of the world in 1898 to help us visualize how to make the world only have 23 independent states between 1900 and the present day.
Alright after 1900? Here's are some ideas, not sure how plausible some of them might be. Just brainstorming.
Boer republics and Morocco would be subjugated as OTL.
New Zealand joins with Australia, creating the Dominion of Australasia.
Japan annexes Korea like OTL.
Norway-Sweden never breaks up.
WWI ends up much the same, except the Treaty of Servers is successful, Turkey ceasing to be independent.
Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia created just as OTL.
Irish Home Rule is successful.
The US annexes Cuba, and later annexes Haiti, Panama, and the Central American republics it occupied OTL.
Soviet Union still created but larger than OTL with Finland and Poland.
Britian wins the Third Anglo Afgan War.
No Lateran Treaty.
Italy still becomes fascist and takes over Ethiopia.
Austria reunited with Germany (Germany doesn't have to be facsist).
Newfoundland becomes part of Canada like OTL.
No decolonization.
I'll probably have more later.
Alright after 1900? Here's are some ideas, not sure how plausible some of them might be. Just brainstorming.
Boer republics and Morocco would be subjugated as OTL.
New Zealand joins with Australia, creating the Dominion of Australasia.
Japan annexes Korea like OTL.
Norway-Sweden never breaks up.
WWI ends up much the same, except the Treaty of Servers is successful, Turkey ceasing to be independent.
Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia created just as OTL.
Irish Home Rule is successful.
The US annexes Cuba, and later annexes Haiti, Panama, and the Central American republics it occupied OTL.
Soviet Union still created but larger than OTL with Finland and Poland.
Britian wins the Third Anglo Afgan War.
No Lateran Treaty.
Italy still becomes fascist and takes over Ethiopia.
Austria reunited with Germany (Germany doesn't have to be facsist).
Newfoundland becomes part of Canada like OTL.
No decolonization.
I'll probably have more later.
Boer republics and Morocco would be subjugated as OTL.
Ok.
New Zealand joins with Australia, creating the Dominion of Australasia.
Might work, but I don't know, how plausible it is.
Japan annexes Korea like OTL.
In Korea is still rebels. I am bit unsure can Japanese hold Korea until nowadays.
Norway-Sweden never breaks up.
I think that you need bit earlier POD.
WWI ends up much the same, except the Treaty of Servers is successful, Turkey ceasing to be independent.
Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia created just as OTL.
Perhaps CP victorious WW1? Then you can keep Ottoman Empire and Austro-Hungary, altough surviving of A-H is bit implausible.
Irish Home Rule is successful.
Not comment.
The US annexes Cuba, and later annexes Haiti, Panama, and the Central American republics it occupied OTL.
Annexation of Cuba, Haiti and Panama might succeeds but I bit doubt C-A republics.
Soviet Union still created but larger than OTL with Finland and Poland.
Ok, but surviving might be bit difficult.
Britian wins the Third Anglo Afgan War.
No comment.
No Lateran Treaty.
Ok.
Italy still becomes fascist and takes over Ethiopia.
Ok.
Austria reunited with Germany (Germany doesn't have to be facsist).
Might work.
Newfoundland becomes part of Canada like OTL.
Ok.
No decolonization.
Perhaps decolonization might be much lesser but I don't see that any country can keep its all colonies.
I'm not sure this is mathematically possible after 1900.
I'm dubious about less than 2 states in North America, 3 in south, 6-7 in Asia, 8-9 in Europe, and 10 or more in Africa. That's already over 30, and I don't believe in "no decolonization" either, not without the colonizers turning to methods of Drakaesque brutality [1]. Need to turn the world into some sort of 1984-esque collection of totalitarian superstates to have a chance of pulling it off, and good luck avoiding nuclear holocaust before 2013...
Bruce
[1] Call me a cynic, but Happy Shiny Multiracial Empires seems to me even less probable.
I'm dubious about less than 2 states in North America, 3 in south, 6-7 in Asia, 8-9 in Europe, and 10 or more in Africa. That's already over 30, and I don't believe in "no decolonization" either, not without the colonizers turning to methods of Drakaesque brutality [1]. Need to turn the world into some sort of 1984-esque collection of totalitarian superstates to have a chance of pulling it off, and good luck avoiding nuclear holocaust before 2013...
Bruce
[1] Call me a cynic, but Happy Shiny Multiracial Empires seems to me even less probable.
That are 16 "colored states, so we can keep 7 more and have to get rid of the rest: (Assuming that UK and Dominions are considered to be one state)
Lets decide on keepers...
Asia (none) - Korea goes to Japan, Siam divided between UK and France, bnepal+Bhutan become British, Afghanistan becomes british and/or Russian, Persia divided between russia/UK and OE) Arabia divided between OE and UK.
Africa - (none) Liberia get US dependent, Ethiopia goes to Italy, Boer Republics to Pritain, Morocco spanish and French
Europe (2)
Switzerland
Greece
Luxemburg joins Germany
Balkan states get annexed (Montenegro and Serbia to A-H, Romaina to Russia and Bulgaria reintegrated to OE) - Microstates are swallowed bey neighbours)
Americas (5)
Mexico (Middleamerican states join more or less voluntary/prevent influence of US)
Brazil (Uruguay - once was part of it)
Argentine
Chile
Peru
Peru conquers Equador/Columbia
Venezuela divided by greater Peru/UK/Brazil
Bolivia divivded By Peru/Chile/Argentine/Brazil
Paraguay divided by Argentine/Brazil
Haiti/Dominica US territory
I believe that covers it.
How to come this? well no idea
23 is hard especially the Balkans and Sozuth american nation are hard to divvy up
If you said 30 (i.e. 7 more)
Siam
Persia
Serbia (+ Montenegro)
Romania
Bulgaria
Columbia
Venezuela
35 (5 more)
Bolivia
Paraguay
Uruguay
Liberia
Afghanistan
30 is doable
35 is realistic doable
How much time have you got to do this, because given enough, you could have federations of twenty or so major economic blocs, with some big nations (like the US and China) still being independent. Each of the federations could then be counted as nations.
Incognito
Banned
According to theauthorof that "Cleanest Race" book, Japan was succesful in usurping Korean nationalism. YMMW.
Other ideas to help get 23 nations:
France keeps Algeria
Some form of the Imperial Federation is made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Federation
Union of Latin States of Africa is created: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Latin_Africa
Balkans Federation is made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Federation
Quite contrary to what you just stated, nukes create more state because if you knockout the head of the government along with major cities of a large nation such as murica,than the surviving states, regions, and even counties might declear independence and thus creating more nations
A bit ASB but if instead of recognising the British dominions as independent states the UK create a unified Imperial parliament with MPs from them AND If the French Union somehow worked AND the USSR annexed more republics, you could take the number down quite a bit.
That's actually a pretty neat missed opportunity - had that plane not crashed, what are the odds we might have seen something like this in OTL?
I'm surprised no one has gone for the "Nuclear war destroys all but 23 nations" route yet.
Uhh...I did. Apparently people expect that to cause more Balkanization, not less.
Oh, sorry.
Well, we could make the nuclear war super horrible to the extent that it destroys every continent save Australia, the Australia Balkanizes into 23 different countries.