AH Challenge: 1935 balkans war.

With a POD starting no later than Januari 1st 1915, have a major balkan war started by Italy and expanded by Hungary.


Basically, a fascist Italy attacks Yugoslavia in 1935, instead of Ethiopia. Hungary soon sides with Italy in this in order to gain new territories, as a result, Romania and Czechoslovakia declares war to Hungary. In turn, Poland and Bulgaria declares war to respectively Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
The Soviet-Union sides with the little entente and Germany sides with Italy/Hungaria/Poland/Bulgaria, some speculates the war might escalate into a fighting between them and should that happen, the Anglo-French would remain non-belligerent although they could indirectly support the loosing side to avoid it collapsing completely.

How would it comne to that?


Since the POD is in 1915, the Soviet-Union doesn´t need to be Stalinian or even fully communist, although trotsky cannot be in charge either. Germany does not need to be National-Socialist but it cannot be communist or neo-kaiserist.
Italy is still fascist with, Mussolini leading the fascist takeover (unless you can find a serious alternate fascist leader of course) but does not need to have Mussolini in power by the time the war starts, even if Mussolini is still in power his atitude can be somewhat different due to the different history.
 

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I don't see Poland joining (Teschen isn't important enough to sacrifice their friendship with Romania), but Greece might declare war on Bulgaria, if Bulgaria joins, since Greece was a part of the Balkan Entente.

Thus we'll have:
Rome Protocols:
Italy
Hungary
Bulgaria
(Austria might join here, since Austria was in many way an Italian puppet)
(With an earlier POD we could very well get Albania here too, since they were an Italian puppet for some time)

Little/ Balkan Entente:
Yugoslavia
Romania
Greece
Czechoslovakia
 
Since the POD is in 1915, the Soviet-Union doesn´t need to be Stalinian or even fully communist, although trotsky cannot be in charge either. Germany does not need to be National-Socialist but it cannot be communist or neo-kaiserist.

Am I missing something? With a POD of 1915 or later, the Soviet Union doesn't have to exist at all.
 
With a PoD od 1915, why is the existence of Chzechoslovakia or Yugoslavia even assured? That's still early enough for a CP victory/ stalemate which keeps A-H largely intact.
 
I think we need to move the PoD to 1917, then the window for CP victory would be closed, still chances for stalemate though.

Yeah. Though with a PoD around then, we could have a rather messy break up of A-H leading to a 3rd Balkan war when Hungary tries to keep Croatia, Romania attempts to grab Transylvania, Serbia goes after Bosnia and Bulgaria intervenes to get Serbian Macedonia
 

yourworstnightmare

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Yeah. Though with a PoD around then, we could have a rather messy break up of A-H leading to a 3rd Balkan war when Hungary tries to keep Croatia, Romania attempts to grab Transylvania, Serbia goes after Bosnia and Bulgaria intervenes to get Serbian Macedonia
Ah, Balkans clusterfucks. Could Hungary escape a Trianon? Were the formation of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia inevitable? Could "great Romania" be averted (I remember the British not being overly interested in rewarding the Romanians for losing against the Germans, but changed their minds after the Bela Kun episode). Could Italy gain more from WW1? All interesting questions.
 
Ah, Balkans clusterfucks. Could Hungary escape a Trianon? Were the formation of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia inevitable? Could "great Romania" be averted (I remember the British not being overly interested in rewarding the Romanians for losing against the Germans, but changed their minds after the Bela Kun episode). Could Italy gain more from WW1? All interesting questions.

Well, essentially if AH isn't partitioned at the end of WWI, but then collapses, you'll have pre-Trianon Hungary going independent (though I think Croatia will split off itself). Of course, lots of Serbian, Croatian, Slovak and Romanian revolting will ensue.
 
If the POD is 1915 what says that it has to be a fascist Italy that starts the war in the first place? 20 years is a lot of time for any butterflies of PODs to move through, after all.
 
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