AH Challange: UN security council

Japan is pretty easy, keep it out of WII.

Hell, if you can bring them in on the side of the allies, they're a shoe in.

Germany? Harder.
 
There's currently a movement for that now, as those two are members of the G8 and two of the most important economies in the world. I believe you can find it somewhere on Wikipedia.
 
Alternately, since the time period eligible for PoDs is before the actual start of World War II, I suppose we could posit a very different war from OTL.
 
A total American victory? If Franklin Roosevelt is in a posistion to dictate terms (for some reason- it would be hard to get both Britain and Russia weak enough), something like that is more plausible.
 
Alternately, since the time period eligible for PoDs is before the actual start of World War II, I suppose we could posit a very different war from OTL.
Different WW2- Allied Japan, Axis USSR/China. Successful Valkyrie means Germany makes a separate peace, and perhaps switches sides. Germany and Japan take USSR and China's seats.

Problem is, ITTL the Holocaust still happened. Is that a sufficent obstacle to a pre-1980-or-so German seat that we need to get rid of it?
 
Japan is pretty easy, keep it out of WII.

Hell, if you can bring them in on the side of the allies, they're a shoe in.

If Japan were merely neutral in WWII, they're unlikely to have been made a permanent member of the Security Council. They would have had to have been one of the Allies to qualify.

What we need is a different WWII. For example, say that there is no Munich Agreement and some-one in the German Military stages a coup against the Nazis. Germany is left with a military regime that is somewhat more cautious than the Nazis. Eventually Stalin decides to flex his muscles a bit and annex some of Eastern Europe. Germany manages to persuade Britain and France to join them in action against the USSR. Border clashes in the far east bring Japan into the fight against the USSR.

Eventually the USSR is defeated and the victorious allies create a *United Nations as a replacement for the old League of Nations. permanent members of the Security Council are Britain, France, Germany and Japan.

Cheers,
Nigel.
 
There's currently a movement for that now, as those two are members of the G8 and two of the most important economies in the world. I believe you can find it somewhere on Wikipedia.

Really? I know there are desires to have Brazil and India due to their rising status. Can't see anyone pushing for more European nations to join, if anything in the future all might lose their seats and be replaced by the EU?
 
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