AH agrees to transfer lands to Italy in 1914 / Scenario

trajen777

Banned
Lets say this scenario

1. AH agrees to Italian demand to turn over the land to enter the war in 1914 on the following conditions
a. No invasion thru Belgium into France (believes that GB will remain neutral)
b. Italy moves an army to central Germany per the original plan
c. IN the meeting with the Kaiser he considers now Italy plus his desire to transfer the army East, and listens to the head of logistics fo the German army and orders the army east. Moltke released from command and Falkenhayn make head of general staff. He assigns Ruppert and Seeckt to command the east.
d. 3 German armies transferred east (5 in the west plus one Italian army
e. Russia and France invade per plan -- battle of Gumbinnen happens with destruction of Russian 1st army, while destruction of German 2nd army happens at Tannenberg.
f. AH transfers the majority of forces East (2 Italian corps transferred to support Serbia) -- AH does this attack Serbia first because of German focus on the east. Because of this plus German victories in the north and support of German forces in south east Germany they do not have the catastrophic losses of their non comms and officers as per real world.
g. France losses are consistent at the battle of the borders
h. GB stays neutral for 1914 and ponders 1915 ( for entering - fear of German dominance --- for not entering the horrific losses seen by all sides plus the opportunity to be the supply channel for all sides and the profits obtained from this)

1915 ????
 
ASB, the whole started because the serbs were desestabilizing AH, that is just surrendering, plus what i learned here britain wanted war against germany to preserve their empire so very hard to do this.
 

trajen777

Banned
ASB, the whole started because the serbs were desestabilizing AH, that is just surrendering, plus what i learned here britain wanted war against germany to preserve their empire so very hard to do this.
No not at all ---

GB was obligated to the terms of the convention till 1916. Already at this time Russia was becoming more of a threat to GB then Germany. Reaproachment with Germany was moving well. IN two years most likely GB would have moved further from Russia.

Italy had made demands to transfer some lands from AH along the border to remain in the alliance with AH& Germany (they had a formal alliance in 1914 to support Germany)

As to your comments on Serbia (i did not say not attack Serbia) but instead defend vs Russia (most historians agree) and then deal with a Serbia that had no ability
to attack just defend), If they had moved their reserve army east right away + German support they would have fared much better. INt he real world they moved they support divisions first south (plan s ) then east (plan e) before they ever fought with this force in Serbia
 

trajen777

Banned
I doubt it, britain ended the great game and Even the King wanted the war against germany.


I Say refer the political, when AH overreacted , the serbs already expected chaos in Bosnia.


And never do it OTL.

If u look shortly before the war their was a lot of diplomatic commun, the greatest issue between the counties was the german fleet buildup, which by 1909 germany realized they lost.

It was a near run thing if gb would have entered the war if not for the german invasion of Belgium.

Gb was extremely concerned by russian pressure towards India after it's recovery from the Russo Japanese war
 
It was a near run thing if gb would have entered the
GB would have look for an excuse regardless, everyone wanted the war and would get it.

I doubt it, the great game was over and the idea was Russia would got first Strike against germany, britain hated germany, that is a historical fact.
 

raharris1973

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ASB, the whole started because the serbs were desestabilizing AH, that is just surrendering, plus what i learned here britain wanted war against germany to preserve their empire so very hard to do this.

How is fighting Germany the solution to preserve the empire? To preserve the empire the solution is suppress revolts, cooperate with the Dominions and stay healthy financially and militarily. What makes crushing Germany a needed part of that?
 
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