Aftermath of an enforced Treaty of Sevres

thaddeus

Carl Schwamberger said:
My take is a sort of dysfunctional republic of oligarchs is more likely. Assorted factions of the wealthy squabbling over this residual impoverished Turkish state. Some sort of facist party or doctrine may emerge, but I cant see this state as of any practical attraction to Germany or Italy in any major way.

I'm also looking at the potential for Greece in this. First off there is the cost of asorbing the Ionian refugees in the 1920s waived away. Second there is the economic benefit of owning Iornia. The net gain from these two is large in the context of the Greek economy in the 1920s.

A third item affecting Greece is the status of Constantinople through to 1940 & beyond. It is not impossible Greece can gain control of that territory later in the 1920s or thirties.

Then there is the situation of the other territories sectioned off in the Severes treaty. Who retains control of those through the 1930s? In 1941 who controls the Chromium mines, & other critical mineral deposits in modern Turkey?
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thaddeus said:
seems the most straightforward (realistic) change would be Greece could hold E. Thrace/European Turkey and (British) International Zone over Constantinople? (with the Turks glaring across the Straits)

with all parties exhausted none of the other aspects survive? that more closely mirrors historical situation?
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Carl Schwamberger said:
I can see that as a likely outcome. I have now doubt the Greeks would make plans to secure the Constantinople region. But, the ability to execute any plans is a large variable. Very situational.
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my reading on the subject is limited. it seems a few gambles by Greece decided the outcome? after they were evicted from Asia Minor they would need propping by Allies to hold Eastern Thrace.

maybe the Allies just never help them land there to begin with? not aware if Cyprus could ever be a bargaining chip for UK? or the Italian-held Dodecanese, at one point their return was promised to Greece. just seems easier for Greece to acquire the islands and contiguous land mass (E. Thrace)

seems far from certain Turkey would become a Fascist ally? there might even be a side in Greece supporting revanchist Fascist rule? if Smyrna ends up as Free City type arrangement or more likely Greeks forced out?
 

thaddeus

Knightmare said:
Not really. They just got a lotta land unfairly stripped from them by Britain, France, and Greece. Add in a feeling of wanting to prove to be more then just the Sick Man of Europe....
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so are you saying they are likely Fascist state or ally? after becoming even less able to participate in (any) conflict than they were during historical WWII.
 
Historyman 14

Historyman 14

I doubt Turkey can make a comeback. They are not Germany, or Italy. At best, they lay low and make the best out of being slice up. At worst, they get bulldozed in the next war.
 

thaddeus

Knightmare said:
At the very least neutral leaning towards the Fascists, ala Spain.
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historically Italy had the fortified islands just offshore, and clearly had designs on part or all of the country. and menaced by USSR on the other side. maybe if Greece obtains the Dodecanese, they WERE promised to them at one point, Italy would not seem such an unlikely ally?
 

Carl Schwamberger

thaddeus said:
my reading on the subject is limited. it seems a few gambles by Greece decided the outcome? after they were evicted from Asia Minor they would need propping by Allies to hold Eastern Thrace...
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My assumption is if the conditions of the OP are in place the residual Turkish state won't be forcing anyone out of anywhere. The Greeks retain Ionia & related territories as part of greater Greece.
 
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