After the Reich: the post-Mosleyte Britain

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Chapter 1. On The Idle Hill Of Summer

Ironically, the last European enemy of Hitler to be conquered was the last one to get rid of his legacy. The United Kingdom had to wait until 1976, eight years after the death of the Führer and two years after the dissolution of the Third Reich.

However, the dictatorship instituted around Oswald Mosley was already on the ropes since the 1960s (and worse was to come when the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s). The Age of Stagnation (a period of negative economic, political, and social effects in the Third Reich that affected its puppet regimes too) began in the last year of life of Adolf Hitler and would last until the 1980s. It was to hit badly the British economy, as the lack of reforms worsened the effects off the crisis on Britain.

As the attempts of reform by Albert Speer, the successor of Hitler, failed in front of the strong anti-Nazi stance of US president Richard Nixon, by the end of the 60s it became quite obvious that the days of the Third Rich were numbered. Speer simply failed to modernize the Reich, a task that was beyond his capabilities. Also, when he tried to unify the offices of President and Chancellor (they had been separated along with the position of the Party Head and gien to Goring, von Krosigk and Goebbels in the Last Will of Hitler), his ambition proved to be far above his capabilities and the ensuing fight for power only helped to further damage the situation.

The writting was on the wall, and even the terminally ill Oswald Mosley could see it clearly. When Mosley became persuaded that Nixon was not going to allow any continuation of the III Reich under any kind of form, he began to prepare the transformation of the Mosleyte Britain into something that the US president could accept and, at the same time, that could keep the spirit of the regime that had ruled Britain since 1946.

That Mosley attempted that is a telling prove of the delluded state of mind of the British dictator in the last months of his life.
 
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Wendigo

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How did Speer manage to be Hitler's successor when Goring was explicitly named as such?

What happened to Goring/Himmler/Goebbels that made Hitler choose someone else?
 
Summing up, Goring replaced Hitler when he died, but his addiction to morphine wrecked him and by the late 50s he was out of the game.

Why Speer and not Himmler or Goebbels? Because Speer built Germania for Hitler and that impressed him (had Hitler lived longer, perhaps he wouldn't be so impressed when he massive buildings began to sunk in the ground). So when Goring had to step back, Speer was better placed than the SS-Reichsführer or the Reich Minister.
 
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Chapter 2. For Such a Stupid Reason

Towards 1955, Oswald Mosley began to reform the regime. It all began with the troubles of Benito Mussolini to control Italy that, after Rome fell into chaos with disturbances and strikes, led to Hitler sending the panzer to roll out in the streets of Rome in 1952 (1). After that Mosley changed the nature of his regime from being openly totalitarian and using severe repression to a more authoritarian system with limited pluralism.

Thus, he began by reforming his administration by replacing fascist ministers with apolitical technocrats who implemented several development policies that included deep economic reforms. From the mid-1950s there was modest acceleration in economic activity and a relaxation of controls after the reforms were implemented. But the growth proved too much for the economy, with shortages and inflation breaking out towards the end of the 1950s. Even worse, the absence of social reforms kept causing troubles to Mosley's regime and led to the student strikes of the late 1960s.

Then, after the death of Hitler in 1968, Mosley tried to improve the diplomatic relations with the United States. Inthis improvement the United Kingdom's strategic location and Mosley's anti-communist hostility towards the Soviet Union, that was recovering fast as the Third Reich began to lessen its grips in the East during the last year of Hitler's life and the following inestability that rose after his death, led the U.S. to reconsider its position towards Britain. Then, as Mosley kept distancing himself from Berlin, president Nixon sent private word to London that he desired closer relations which led to several trade agreements between the two countries. In 1970, Nixon send Kissinger to Britain for clandestine meetings with Mosley, paving the way for Nixon visiting Britain in 1971. The announcements astounded the world.

In February 1971, Nixon traveled to London. There, he and Kissinger met for an hour with Mosley and his foreign minister, the moderate reformer Alexander Douglas, and discussed a range of issues. The visit ushered in a new era of British-American relations.

Then Mosley began to look for an heir.


(1) Eventually, after the death of the Il Duce in 1956, he was to be replaced by Dino Grandi, who purged the Fascist Party, reinstituted political indoctrination in the army and in the society, and increased his control over Italy with the help of the German troops that remained in the country.
 
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Yes, this Alexander Douglas is OTL sir Alec Douglas-Home.

Grandi was close to the most radical and violent groups of fascists, always surrounding himself with members of the Blackshirts. Without the Allies landing in Italy, I doubt very much he would have turned against Mussolini. Now, with Hitler looking over his shoulder, he has to look even more extremist than il Duce.
 
Does Italy still have Libya and Eutopia?

How is Japan and Asia?

Free France?

Ireland?

Italy held Libya, Ethiopia, Somalia and the Sudan until the 1960s, when the anti-imperialist guerrillas backed by the USA forced Rome to give them some autonomy, resembling the former Dominions of the former British Empire. Right now (that is, in this TL 1971), Libya resembles a bit the Algeria of the FLN, while Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia resemblesome kind of African Vietnams or Afghanistan with the joyful collaboration of the United States and the recovering Soviet Union.

Japan was nuked and defeated by the United States in 1947 and in this TL more or less followed the same path. Australia and New Zealand, without the United Kingdom, came closer to the USA even faster than IOTL. China is ruled by Chiang Kai-Shek, who managed to win the chinese civil war, and who is hardly a friend of Washington, but more a lonely player. Chiang even got as far as having trade agreements with the defeated USSR and with the USA at the same time. When he dies in 1975, China will become an interestig place to look at...

Free France was reduced to the good will of the United States. Washington hated to support an imperialist power in North Africa, where de Gaulle replaced Vichy after Torch, but it was an strategic place to have bases for the B-52s and the SSBNs placed there to threat Hitler, at least until the anti-colonialists began to cause troubles. Again, right now (TL 1971), Free France has been reduced to Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. The remainig pieces of the former French Empire got some kind of independent status as dominions in the so-called Union France d'Outre-mer, which had very short life.

Ireland kept its neutrality even when it was too clear that Hitler was to win the war after defeating the USSR. Thus, Hitler has used the same technique with Dublin as he one used with Spain: to care (or better said, to cajole them into submission) about them when they were useful and ignore them when they were not needed.

I must add that I'm making this up as I write, as I will focus mainly on the British events and the rest will remain on the "borders" of this TL, so to speak.
 
What happened to traditionally loyal parts of France Outre-Mer, who elected MPs since a long time (some Caribbean islands, Guiana, Reunion, etc)?
 
Summing up, Goring replaced Hitler when he died, but his addiction to morphine wrecked him and by the late 50s he was out of the game.

Why Speer and not Himmler or Goebbels? Because Speer built Germania for Hitler and that impressed him (had Hitler lived longer, perhaps he wouldn't be so impressed when he massive buildings began to sunk in the ground). So when Goring had to step back, Speer was better placed than the SS-Reichsführer or the Reich Minister.
Speer was really overrated and stole credit from others, but I see you have basically noted that in your own way. Do you mean Göring replaced Hitler first or that he was meant to and died before then? And to add realism, perhaps have it that Hitler did things like with his will, where the position of Fuhrer was broken up and three seperate people were made President, Chancellor, and Party Head.
 
Speer was really overrated and stole credit from others, but I see you have basically noted that in your own way. Do you mean Göring replaced Hitler first or that he was meant to and died before then? And to add realism, perhaps have it that Hitler did things like with his will, where the position of Fuhrer was broken up and three seperate people were made President, Chancellor, and Party Head.

Goring replaced Hitler when Adolf died, but his addiction led him to a premature end.

Good idea! I like it.

PS: I've tried to incorporate your piece of advice to the chapter. I hope I go it it right.

What happened to traditionally loyal parts of France Outre-Mer, who elected MPs since a long time (some Caribbean islands, Guiana, Reunion, etc)?

They remained loyal for lack of any other better option, basically.
 
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Chapter 4. Ples God Send Us a Heir

The reasons that led Oswald Mosley to take his final decision on the succesion matter are lost (if they were ever known for sure, as the Fascist Leader used to keep his ideas for himself in the last few years of his life, and tried to play the difeferent factions of the BUF once against the other but without too much success), but they changed the path that the United Kingdom had followed since 1948. In 1972, while his government was still enjoying the propaganda success created by Nixon's trip to Britain, he send an offer to the Royals exiled in Canada: if the heir of the late George VI, the queen-in-exile- Elizabeth II, agreed to send her son Charles, who by then was the 25 years old, to the United Kingdom, to finish his education within the principles of the British Fascism that ruled over the country, Mosley was to reinstall the monarchy in the United Kigdom. The long and complicated negotations lasted until January 1973, when Elizabeth finally agreed to send Charles, who arrived to England in May that year.

This way, Charles became, according to the Moyselite "Magna Carta", the Prince of the United Kingdom, a title that both tried to give away and to bring back the most glamourous and poltiically useful concepts of the former title of the British heir as Prince of Wales. However, Mosely was to play a last trick when he decided to skip a generation and named Charles as his personal successor, distrustring Elizabeth, who he thought to be too liberal for his taste. He really hoped that he would have time to groom the young prince in the basics of his ultraconservative ideology. As a condition of being named heir-apparent, Charles was required to swear loyalty to the principles and beliefs of the BUF (1) when he became the Acting Head of the country, something he did with little hesitation. This choice was ratified by the British parliament (hardly a shadow of its former self) on 5 June 1973.

So, for the next years Charles appeared by Mosley's side, apparently being instructed in the principles for the regime, and taking part in official and ceremonial state functions along with the dictator, in a display of mutual agreement and cooperation, much to the anger of monarchists and liberals, who hoped that Mosley's death would bring the end of the dictatorship and, for some, the parlamentarian monarchy, and, for the rest, an era of reform within the boundaries of Mosley regime as it was happening in the France leaded by Alain Peyrefitte. It goes without saying that Washington was quite dissapointed by this turns of events, as president Nixon did not hesitate to say aloud. However, from his very arrival to Britain, Charles had been meeting secretly with political opposition leaders and keeping contact with the exiles, who were fighting to bring democracy to the country, although Charles was unable to bridge the gap betweeen the ineer and outward oppositions, as we shall see.

By 1975 Mosley, who was already very ill, had surrendered the function of prime minister to Enoch Powell, keeping to himself only the posts of head of state and commander in chief of the British Armed Forces. However, his ilness gave him no respite and, during his final year of life, he became progressively weaker and dependant on Charles and those belonging to his inner circle. Around it an environment of constant rumours and intrigues emerged from within the various factions of the BUF as several groups trying to place themselves in the best position to run the country's future, without any of them being able to have the upper hand, while the inner opposition began to bid for its time, that appeared to be comming fast.

Pressured by the events that were taking place in Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain, and fearful that the British Armed Forces may held Leftish members within their ranks that may lead to a revolution as in Portugal and Greece, the more moderate elements of the Mosleyte movement began to meet with the opposition leaders looking for a solution to their dilemma. When this scheme proved to fail, some Mosleyte politicians changed sides and joined the moderate opposition

Then, on October 30, 1975, Mosley fell into a coma from which he did not recover and was put on life support, and Charles took over as Acting Head of State.

Mosley died on April 20, 1976, at the age of 81, without being able to fully turn Charles to his side or to give time to the moderate elements of his regime to win the opposition leaders to their side. These impossible hopes prove the state of confussion and delluision of the British leadership between 1973 and 1976.

(1) It must be said that, by 1973, the ideology of the British Union of Fascists was hardly a single corpus, as its original Fascists ideas had been mixed with bits taken from the Nazism until, around the 1960s, it was transformed agani by Mosley, in what he called the "British Way", that tried to bring a new definition, "closer to the British way", according to Mosley, of several Fascists and Nazis ideas, aimed to replaced them with a "British" corpus of beliefs and idaes taht, in the end, only became confused with the old ones.
 
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James G

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Excuse me, but how much of this did you copy-and-paste from Wikipedia? You just changed the names it seems and jumbled up the sentences. The second to last line in the last update is a copy-and-paste from Wikipedia.
That is seriously uncool!

Edit, actually there is quite a bit. This is all rip-offs of details about Franco's death. The blue colouring gives it away and the spellings used. And moving dates to different people.
Why would you do this?
 

James G

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Or just don't plagiarise someone else's work. Yes, it's on a different website, but it's not the right things to do.
 
My idea was not to plagiarise nothing at all. I have written enough in this forum without needed that to begin doing that pointless thing. However, you're right in your points and I wrote a pack of bullshit. Your warning made me to adress that, and I'm deeply grateful for this, really.
 
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Wow.

That is some massive plagiarism.

Since you have admitted you did it this is just a kick and a thread lock (the thread is the fruit of a poisoned tree at this point).

Be a REALLY good idea not to do this again.
 
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