I think that it is incredible that such a frank and graphic movie could come out of the heavily-censored Soviet Union.
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I think that it is incredible that such a frank and graphic movie could come out of the heavily-censored Soviet Union.
The principle idea of Nazism is that "Jew and Slav blood" poisoned the Aryan race. And thus, all traces of it must be destroyed to preserve the purity of the German race.
The irony in this is very dramatic that Himmler, a man who believed heavily in the superiority of the Aryan Race, looked absolutely nothing like the "Aryan superman" he wanted to "protect".
Yeah, he looked like a creepy incel. Some people say he started the Holocaust out of an inferiority complex.
One could make an argument that it passed censors due to how the brutality had a patriotic message about the struggles of people fighting for the Rodina behind it.
I guess. But it doesn't show a young Soviet gallantly defending the workers and the peasants. It shows a kid slowly losing his marbles after seeing his life and home utterly destroyed.
The only real instance of Florya being better than the Nazis is at the end of the movie, when the kid refuses to shoot an image of baby Hitler being held by his mother.
I’m not an economics expert but for those who say Generalplan Ost couldn’t have been accomplished in any form resembling the OTL version because it’s not “economically feasible” I would say that the issue of economically feasibility usually doesn’t stop dictatorships and regimes run by fanatics from carrying out or attempting to carry out evil/idiotic plans (especially when the ideology behind those plans is what drives the wars and mass killings to begin with).
Not only that but countries dominated by poorly managed economies and hairbrained schemes can last and have lasted far longer than expected (USSR, North Korea, Mao’s China etc) let alone one like a Third Reich that has control over an entire continent and all the labor/resources that come with.
Would a victorious Nazi Germany collapse several decades after defeating the USSR? Probably.
Would they still manage to kill and enslave tens of millions of people for the crime of being born “subhuman” in the meantime? Certainly. Anything else is a denial of how bloodthirsty and psychopathic the Nazi leadership (and Nazism itself) was.
Not only that but countries dominated by poorly managed economies and hairbrained schemes can last and have lasted far longer than expected (USSR, North Korea, Mao’s China etc) let alone one like a Third Reich that has control over an entire continent and all the labor/resources that come with.
Would a victorious Nazi Germany collapse several decades after defeating the USSR? Probably.
Would they still manage to kill and enslave tens of millions of people for the crime of being born “subhuman” in the meantime? Certainly. Anything else is a denial of how bloodthirsty and psychopathic the Nazi leadership (and Nazism itself) was.
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I'm gonna repeat what I said before: Nazis didn't just kill. They made killing into a science.
In 15 months, they pretty much crippled Polish Jewry during Operation Reinhard. And they did this while fighting two sides.
They were able to wipe out 1/4 of Belarus' population and 1/6 of Ukraine's population.
If they weren't fighting a major war, they would've had the time and energy to devote to cleansing Eastern Europe of everyone who they couldn't train to be an illiterate surf.
The main question is this: would they have been able to actually use all that land to achieve self-suffiency? Or would settling and developing such a vast territory overwhelm the Nazis?
Complete self sufficiency? Probably not.
A major issue would be finding enough Aryan settlers to live in the East though it’s plausible they would be able to get several million at least to do so.
They’d have to give people incentives (financial and otherwise) to move out of cities just like they gave people incentives to have large numbers of children.
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I think Generalplan Ost would backfire in a massive way.
The Nazis would finish killing everyone they wanted and then realized that there aren't enough Aryans for their new land.
Also, few Germans (aside from SS fanatics and such) would want to colonise a partisan infested wilderness when they can live in a Germany full of comforts
BTW OTL the Lebensborn program was created by Himmler, who though humans reproduced as fast as rabbits.
Honestly, how did he not die of sheer stupidity?
The Nazis would finish killing everyone they wanted and then realized that there aren't enough Aryans for their new land.
Also, few Germans (aside from SS fanatics and such) would want to colonise a partisan infested wilderness when they can live in a Germany full of comforts
BTW OTL the Lebensborn program was created by Himmler, who though humans reproduced as fast as rabbits.
Honestly, how did he not die of sheer stupidity?
But would getting all the grain they needed be able to cover the cost. Or would settling that land overwhelm the German economy?