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Perhaps not as soon as the Habsburgs due to not having to buy imperial elections, finance a war against France AND the Turk AND the Protestants etc. And it would also depend what the wealth coming from the colonies is used for. I read somewhere that the wealth from the Americas in the first half of the 18th century could've revitalized the country of Spain in terms of agriculture, industrialization and so forth, but "because of the shrew-wife of Spain [Isabel Farnese] what she took from the Americas in one hand, she squandered in Europe with the other. First at attempting to be the premier power in Eurpope..."

Now while wars were part of the times in the 16th century, but overstretching oneself (as the Habsburgs did) or keeping a spendthrift court (Elizabeth Petrovna) can mean that those riches might be burned through faster than what they come in.

Remember this: The East Indies (where Portugal had almost only harbours and emporiums) is extremely profitable because controlling that shipping routes you control the spice trade in Europe who is highly profitable and is something you sell while the gold and silver from West Indies are useful only for buying things from other countries and that was OTL Spain biggest problem. So you have a biggest Empire to control but you do not have revolts in Netherlands (who was a great trouble and expense OTL but here will be tha main seat of the Habsburg), you do not need to keep Milan (who if things will go exactly as OTL will go to the Habsburg), do not have Germany and Imperial Crown to rule (another thing for the Habsurg) and you will not need to defend yourself from France on more than one side (at least by land.


I think who ATL Spain will have much less financial trouble than OTL Spain, if had any:

If you import and sell spices from East Indies and slaves and ivory from Africa, sugar, chocolate and coffee from West Indies first you need to buy much less things and have much more money for doing it than OTL, and then you can use the silver and gold from West Indies for more things than pay the army, pay the wars (who also will be less than OTL), pay the debt and pay the court.

In any case I think the union will be like OTL union so you will have three different councils or cortes, one for kingdom (Castile, Portugal and Aragon) who will almost always act indipendently in most fields so you will not have so much predominance by thew Portugal at the start and I think who with the time Castile will be the most influential region like OTL
 
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abc123

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Remember this: The East Indies (where Portugal had almost only harbours and emporiums) is extremely profitable because controlling that shipping routes you control the spice trade in Europe who is highly profitable and is something you sell while the gold and silver from West Indies are useful only for buying things from other countries and that was OTL Spain biggest problem. So you have a biggest Empire to control but you do not have revolts in Netherlands (who was a great trouble and expense OTL but here will be tha main seat of the Habsburg), you do not need to keep Milan (who if things will go exactly as OTL will go to the Habsburg), do not have Germany and Imperial Crown to rule (another thing for the Habsurg) and you will not need to defend yourself from France on more than one side (at least by land.


I think who ATL Spain will have much less financial trouble than OTL Spain, if had any:

If you import and sell spices from East Indies and slaves and ivory from Africa, sugar, chocolate and coffee from West Indies first you need to buy much less things and have much more money for doing it than OTL, and then you can use the silver and gold from West Indies for more things than pay the army, pay the wars (who also will be less than OTL), pay the debt and pay the court.

In any case I think the union will be like OTL union so you will have three different councils or cortes, one for kingdom (Castile, Portugal and Aragon) who will almost always act indipendently in most fields so you will not have so much predominance by thew Portugal at the start and I think who with the time Castile will be the most influential region like OTL

Agreed....;)
 
Interesting, interesting, so is there likely to be war between this united kingdom, let's call it Hispania, and the Habsburgs?
 

Cueg

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Never. The French and the Ottomans were the natural enemies of both parties. The Hapbsergs wanted Northern Italy, any power in Iberia wanted the South.
 
Not necessarily!

It will be delayed and refugees from Indonesia will go to the Philippines creating Kingdoms that are strong enough to resist the Spanish making the Spanish get less of it, in OTL the refugees from Majapahit did go to the Philippines, but if the Portuguese focuses first in Indonesia, the refugees from Majapahit get funneled to the Philippines especially Luzon instead of Bali.
 
Interesting, interesting, so is there likely to be war between this united kingdom, let's call it Hispania, and the Habsburgs?
Not really. The only very likely thing is a series of weddings between the two countries... Emperor Karl will marry Anne of Hungary but his heir will likely marry a spanish princess
 
Not really. The only very likely thing is a series of weddings between the two countries... Emperor Karl will marry Anne of Hungary but his heir will likely marry a spanish princess

Interesting, so will the Hispania be the title of the new kingdom
 
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