Affiliated States of Boreoamerica thread

Gian

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Using inspiration from Ill Bethisad can get dicey, since I'm a longtime IB member and want to avoid getting this project mixed up with that one. Even though the ASB's ideas come from OTL history, it's hard to ignore the similarities between it and the North American League over there.

That being said, the Icelandic communities on Lake Winnipeg are definitely one of the most distinctive features of that region OTL. It's probably a good thing to refer to it in this timeline. I've already said that Icelandic is the main language of Noquet Island (OTL Washington Island) in Lake Michigan, because of a similar settlement project in the 1870s to the one that brought Icelandic people to Manitoba.

Either way, that part of Lake Winnipeg was outside the boundaries of Assiniboia even when it was still a colony. The northern border of Assiniboia is a bit to the south of the OTL border... maybe that's precisely because the area was heavily Icelandic and not sympathetic to the rebellion.

That could be a logical explanation as to why the Assiniboian border shifted, as the Icelanders might not be keen on a Métis-dominated state (especially once it starts alienating the English in Mesabi to the point where they up sticks and join the Upper Country)
 
State founders Wikipedia infoboxes (update)

Every state has its heroes. They serve to focus and define a state's identity. But the idea of each state having an official Founder figure comes from civic culture in the turn of the twentieth century. Several states have multiple people that they honor as founders, but the tradition is now that each one identifies one as a first among equals to represent the state and its history.

We see a mixed group here. Colonizers and people who fought against colonization, warriors and peacemakers, people who united disparate groups and others who boldly broke away. But each one of them played a crucial role in shaping the states as they exist today. Recently the demographics of the group have provoked some comment. The set of founders is predominantly, though certainly not exclusively, White; and it is overwhelmingly male. This of course reflects historic power structures and the colonial origins of a majority of the states.

I posted these infoboxes a year ago. Since then I've filled in most of the empty spaces, but not all of them.

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I would love ethnic maps for Ohio, Poutaxia, and Illinois (if that's OK)

And here is Poutaxia. Of note: Pennamite includes both English and German speakers... and a few Welsh as well. Lenape includes people who self-identify as Munsee, and anyway the division between Christianer and Lenape is really more of a hazy gradient than a sharp line. (For example, that purple spot in the far southeast point was originally Lenape treaty land.) There are minorities of Chesapian people in parts of southwestern Poutaxia but not enough to show.

Also, there's no color yet for "English Mixed" - the Anglo version of Mestizo or Métis. That would affect several parts of this map. But the thing is that I don't know that there's an identifiable "Mixed" identity comparable to the Métis. Most people would identify instead with the English stocks and/or tribes in their background.

And as before, this is a general scheme that you can feel free to modify.

Now Ohio is a piece of work. I don't know when I'll be able to sort through that mess.

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I realized I had a nation called Boreoamerica on Nationstates that had CTE'd. I based it off this Boreoamerica.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=boreoamerica/detail=factbook/id=920066

I always feel ridiculously flattered when I see something like this. Thanks for sharing it here.
 
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Mexico
Added Illinois and Poutaxia:

Looks good, and I agree with the changes you made.

What's Mexico like?

So about a thousand years ago, @Venusian Si and I exchanged PMs about Mexico that have formed the basis of our thinking about it. I don't think anything was ever actually posted, so here I'm going to copy what we wrote in the PMs and try to sort of combine it all into something comprehensible.

El Imperio Mexicano
The Mexican Empire
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Modern Mexico began with a nationalist revolution of the OTL sort - local elites who rose up against the monarchy. And like OTL, this also served to stir up resentment toward those same elites by the Indio majority. But this time, the new independent monarch managed to position himself as the ally and champion of the People, so that the order that emerged in the 1800s was one where the monarchy was supported by that indigenous/militarist/socialist/religious movement. This alliance encouraged Spanish/Nahuatl bilingualism. And "Free Land for the Peasants!" became the driving force behind the conquest of the northern frontier. This resulted in lots of homesteaders migrating from central Mexico to the prairies, bringing their cultures and languages with them.

The ASB served as a destination for Native people displaced by the homesteaders. The western states, especially Arques, Dakota, and Assiniboia, have populations of people originating out west who had to flee. The Indians already living there largely welcomed them as a counterbalance to English settlers moving in from the other direction, and Louisiana Creoles coming from the south.

As for a timeline:

1800-1810: With the Napoleonic Wars as a backdrop, Spain had a civil war of succession. Sibling B overthrew Sibling A in the Mainland, but elites of New Spain rejected the claims of the usurper. Sibling A fled to New Spain, successfully separating it from the rest of the Empire with the support of local elites.

1810-1840: Local White elites entrenched their power in the New Spanish state, dominating the government at the expense of the monarchy and further marginalizing the indigenous and Mestizo poor. Various reformist and revolutionary movements, many of them strongly religious, bubbled under the surface. Also during this time, the grandchild of the exiled Monarch was born. His Jesuit-influenced education and the injustices that he/she witnesses served to harden his/her views against the current regime; s/he would become the first of the "People's Emperors."

1840-1850s: Poor harvests and an economic downtown caused widespread social unrest. The young but charismatic "People's Emperor/Empress" championed him/herself as the ally of every New Spaniard - no - every Mexican of the Empire. Revolts in major cities led to a revolution, resulting in a new constitutional monarchy that was more broadly based. New Spain was renamed Mexico.

1850s-1900: Era of the First People's Emperor, and the Era of the Wild North.

Under the rule of a strong monarch, Mexico undertook a series of major social reforms. The ruling ideology combined a devout Catholicism, an emphasis on Mexico's indigenous heritage, and a hefty dose of militarism (to best protect the homeland, of course). Alongside this, economic reforms laid the foundations of the modern Mexican welfare state. Later on, the discovery of oil in *Tejas will push 20th Century Mexico more towards the path of State Capitalism and a very robust social safety net.

While the late 1850s saw the first steps toward colonizing the wild North, a much bigger government-fueled effort began after the discovery of gold in Alta California in the early 1860s. A policy of "Land for Peasants" began, and many of the poor of central and southern Mexico headed north. Clashes with Northern Indigenous and (to a lesser extent) settlers from the ASB resulted in the creation of this Mexico's "Wild West Myth." The exile of various tribes and some ASB Europeans from the Mexican North led to tension between the ASB and Mexico, including at least one war near the end of the century.

This period also saw immigration from both China and mainland Europe, due to promises of gold, silver, and farmland.

1898-1901: The death of the First People's Emperor/Empress and the discovery of Oil in *Tejas; beginning of the Age of Oil.
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So obviously names and details need to be filled in, but this is the general background for the country.
 
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Great post !

-I suppose that the he/she is because you haven't decided if its an emperor or an empress
-How mutualy intellegible is Canadian french and Louisianian Creole ?
 
Great post !

-I suppose that the he/she is because you haven't decided if its an emperor or an empress

Thanks much. That's right, this is what VS and I had discussed, but we never got around to creating a character. I don't want to jump in and start assigning names and genders if he still has ideas he had wanted to use.

-How mutualy intellegible is Canadian french and Louisianian Creole ?

I meant Louisiana Creole in the cultural sense... maybe that's an overuse of OTL terminology; in TTL they'd probably just be called Louisianan or Louisianais. And a variety of French is their main language, perfectly intelligible to any other French speaker.

Now there is also a Black Creole language that also exists in Louisiana, really in a creole continuum with standard Louisianais French. I don't know how widespread the creole and its mesolects are; to do that I'd want to read a little more about the racial numbers and dynamics in colonial Louisiana.
 
A (very rough!) first draft of nominal GDP per capita for each state, in OTL USD
I purposely made it so that they're further apart than OTL US states, but closer together than OTL independent countries.
Basically, I took Wikipedia's list of US metropolitan areas by GDP per capita, Canadian CMAs by gross personal income, and then spread them out multiplicatively (e.g, the lowest are halved, the highest are doubled, and the in-betweens follow a formula); then I took GDP per capita for the independent countries and non-sovereign territories in ASB territory and pushed them closer together using the same method. Some individual ones were tweaked. Then, once I had all the sets a certain way, I fudged them some more until they had an average of $42,000 and a spread of, on average, double that of OTL US states.

As a rule of thumb: 70,000 is OTL Connecticut, 30,000 is OTL Mississippi. 18,000 is very roughly the line between a poor first-world country and a third-world country.

Some assumptions I've made:
-The Northeast is as wealthy as OTL
-The Great Lakes are declining from loss of manufacturing, as OTL
-English, French, and Dutch speakers have similar socioeconomic status, but Hispanophone states, Native states, and the rest of the Caribbean are relatively disadvantaged
-Natives and Hispanophones are still wealthier than OTL
-As OTL, states with similar numbers are not necessarily similarly well-off, as costs of living can be drastically different.

I made some ideas and justifications for unusually high/low numbers:
-MB, LC, NN, and to a lesser extent PA, are all heavily urbanized and expensive to live in, and they also benefit from old money, which raises them to the top.
-Labrador has oil income, but the cost of shipping things to the remote state makes things far, far more expensive than OTL. Newfoundland is less extreme, but groceries still cost a lot there.
-Dakota and Assiniboia are profiting from new oil exploration (Assiniboia should probably be higher in this case)
-Bermuda, like OTL, is a popular tax dodge., so their numbers are a bit inflated
-UC is very urban, like MB, but it's still a Great Lakes state which means it's not doing as well.
-East Florida, West Florida, and Seminol are basically Florida, but without all the money from retiring New Yorkers. "Florida Man" is still a real thing, but each state has different stereotypes for their particular madmen.

And changes that I'm mulling over:
-Plymouth maybe should be higher; my understanding is that the OTL area is where rich families in the Hamptons keep their second summer homes.
-Saybrook includes the Hamptons, so it should probably be a little higher.
-I think Chickasaw and Choctaw might need to be lower.
-Rhode Island should probably be higher
-I think I want Cuba to be the wealthiest Hispanophone state.
-I don't mind that Hispaniola is poorer than the rest of the ASB, but West Dominica might still be too low.
-East and West Acadia should not be that poor. Ditto Canada.

Massachusetts Bay $ 69,411
Lower Connecticut $ 68,781
Labrador $ 65,708
New Netherland $ 60,822
Vermont $ 55,582
Saint John's I $ 54,623
Newfoundland $ 54,598
Dakota $ 51,977
Pennsylvania $ 51,571
Maryland $ 51,327
Upper Connecticut $ 51,027
Bermuda $ 49,896
Saybrook $ 48,736
Vineyards $ 47,617
Assiniboia $ 47,494
Upper Country $ 43,804
Plymouth $ 43,491
Ohio $ 43,431
Cayman Islands $ 43,102
Chicasaw $ 42,056
New Hampshire $ 41,771
Rhode Island $ 41,441
Lower Louisiana $ 41,163
Upper Louisiana $ 41,022
Choctaw $ 40,849
Allegheny $ 40,835
Lower Virginia $ 40,461
New Scotland $ 40,033
St. P and M $ 40,004
Illinois $ 39,972
Upper Virginia $ 39,468
Huronia $ 38,819
Carolina $ 38,221
Arques $ 37,553
Christiana $ 36,455
Poutaxia $ 36,310
Iroquoia $ 36,284
Bahamas $ 35,935
Canada $ 35,048
Cherokee $ 34,906
West Florida $ 33,699
Muscogia $ 32,638
West Acadia $ 30,462
Watauga $ 29,716
Seminol $ 29,610
East Acadia $ 28,206
East Florida $ 27,241
Cuba $ 22,896
East Dominica $ 22,780
West Dominica $ 11,342
 
-The Northeast is as wealthy as OTL

Yes -"the Central States" are called "central" for a reason.

-The Great Lakes are declining from loss of manufacturing, as OTL

This might not be quite as extreme as OTL since the economy in general is a bit further behind where we are. Chicago wasn't a major industrial center before the mid-1880s, for instance. Since industrialization progressed more slowly, it might be reasonable to assume that deindustrialization did as well.

-English, French, and Dutch speakers have similar socioeconomic status, but Hispanophone states, Native states, and the rest of the Caribbean are relatively disadvantaged

Even if it's not true in every instance, it's a fair generalization.

-Natives and Hispanophones are still wealthier than OTL

Agreed, since this is still a unified economy, so despite inequalities, capital and labor can move freely between regions.

-MB, LC, NN, and to a lesser extent PA, are all heavily urbanized and expensive to live in, and they also benefit from old money, which raises them to the top.

Yep, those four are the wealthiest states.

-Labrador has oil income, but the cost of shipping things to the remote state makes things far, far more expensive than OTL. Newfoundland is less extreme, but groceries still cost a lot there.

Newfoundland also suffered from the same weaknesses as it did in OTL: its economy through the mid-20th century was quite primitive, almost exclusively based around fish. Newfoundland (and Watauga) stand out as significantly poorer than the rest of the White Anglophone states.

-Dakota and Assiniboia are profiting from new oil exploration (Assiniboia should probably be higher in this case)
-Bermuda, like OTL, is a popular tax dodge., so their numbers are a bit inflated

So probably comparable to OTL Delaware, since people and companies there still have to pay confederal taxes.

-UC is very urban, like MB, but it's still a Great Lakes state which means it's not doing as well.

It also has disparities between urban and rural that can be almost shockingly extreme. The northern, indigenous parts of the state still have what you could fairly describe as a peasant society, though since there are rich cities within the state borders, people have more access to government aid than people in the majority-indigenous states. This is true for the Mixed states in general. OTL Mestizo countries like Mexico are a good approximate model.

[EDIT] When I wrote this I was thinking of the Upper Country instead of Upper Connecticut. How embarrassing. Upper Connecticut is not Mixed in this way, at least not a lot.

-East Florida, West Florida, and Seminol are basically Florida, but without all the money from retiring New Yorkers. "Florida Man" is still a real thing, but each state has different stereotypes for their particular madmen.

A major motivator for this project was imagining a world where Florida doesn't suck... but yeah, you can't not have Florida Man. All 3 Floridas feel more "Caribbean" than in OTL, with a corresponding standard of living.


-Plymouth maybe should be higher; my understanding is that the OTL area is where rich families in the Hamptons keep their second summer homes.

Isn't that a rather small number though? Cape Cod certainly, but most of the people in the state aren't on Cape Cod.

-Saybrook includes the Hamptons, so it should probably be a little higher.

Could be, but again that's a relatively small group of people compared to the whole population.

-I think Chickasaw and Choctaw might need to be lower.

These two don't have a lot written yet, but I've been assuming that they're the poorest states on the Mainland. Not only is that the poorest region in OTL, but they're victim to the White-Indian economic gap of TTL.

-Rhode Island should probably be higher

Probably comparable to OTL and to the rest of southern New England. Rhode Island also has the capital of the Dominion, which is going to generate income.

-I think I want Cuba to be the wealthiest Hispanophone state.

If that hasn't been stated outright anywhere, it's definitely what's in my headcanon. In Seminol's history, I wrote: "Seminol is rather less wealthy and developed than Cuba, and migration tends to be from Seminol to Cuba rather than the other way. The ongoing allure of Cuba has kept Seminol tourism from really taking off. The towns along the Atlantic coast today depend on tourism, but they have not grown into the beachfront megalopolis that we know from our world."

-I don't mind that Hispaniola is poorer than the rest of the ASB, but West Dominica might still be too low.

Definitely. The two Dominicas will be, if not quite on par with each other due to the racial legacy, much closer to each other than in real life. The east had access to investment from the rest of the states, as well as freedom of movement. This didn't always work to its advantage (Yankee investors were famously exploitative), but it positioned it much better than in OTL, when Haiti basically sank to a subsistence economy for a very long time. Basically the quesiton is, "What would Haiti look like if it wasn't treated as a total pariah?"

-East and West Acadia should not be that poor. Ditto Canada.

Canada maybe, but the Acadias are relatively underdeveloped. East Acadia has more going for it than the West. For one thing, the East is majority White while the West is Mixed. For another, it has a more developed tourist sector, capitalizing on the whole "center of Franco-acadian culture" thing.

Beautiful start, though. I hate generating numbers like this, and it really adds a lot to the setting.
 
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A major motivator for this project was imagining a world where Florida doesn't suck... but yeah, you can't not have Florida Man. All 3 Floridas feel more "Caribbean" than in OTL, with a corresponding standard of living.

There's no reason we can't have both- in OTL, many of the Caribbean countries have crime rates on par with the US's nastier inner cities. It's not widely reported because many tourists stay in the resorts.
 

Gian

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There's no reason we can't have both- in OTL, many of the Caribbean countries have crime rates on par with the US's nastier inner cities. It's not widely reported because many tourists stay in the resorts.

I think that's a double negative (not to be nitpicky or anything), but yes "Florida Man" (or rather "Floridas Man") is probably be a thing (maybe Hispanized to such a degree).

One thing I have to point out though @False Dmitri and @Tsochar, is that for the demographic map, I just assumed that the retirement communities/urban centers will remain from OTL (hence the various splotches of Anglo red and French blue (plus some New Netherlander orange for good measure) scattered around the state. That, and I'm a bit lazy to adapt that out when I import it (I'm taking all the urban areas from a similar map I'm doing for The Yankee Dominion, and editing it from there for context)
 
One thing I have to point out though @False Dmitri and @Tsochar, is that for the demographic map, I just assumed that the retirement communities/urban centers will remain from OTL (hence the various splotches of Anglo red and French blue (plus some New Netherlander orange for good measure) scattered around the state. That, and I'm a bit lazy to adapt that out when I import it (I'm taking all the urban areas from a similar map I'm doing for The Yankee Dominion, and editing it from there for context)

They are definitely smaller, since Cuba and the Dominicas are available for retirees, snowbirds, and vacationers alike. However, compared to the islands, south Florida's Atlantic coast has very little reason to have a large population; so even if the touristic towns of Florida are a lot smaller, the "outsider" populations can still show up on the map because there aren't very many native Floridians living there.

Now in the areas where Caribeño and Seminol people are more concentrated, those splotches probably wouldn't register. This would include San Agustín itself, the Tampa Bay area, and the Fort Myers area, which is where the Seminol capital is. The interior settlements, I don't know... something tells me there are not as many as the map currently shows, but they're maybe justifiable, especially on the Seminol side of the border.
 
I think that's a double negative (not to be nitpicky or anything), but yes "Florida Man" (or rather "Floridas Man") is probably be a thing (maybe Hispanized to such a degree).

One thing I have to point out though @False Dmitri and @Tsochar, is that for the demographic map, I just assumed that the retirement communities/urban centers will remain from OTL (hence the various splotches of Anglo red and French blue (plus some New Netherlander orange for good measure) scattered around the state. That, and I'm a bit lazy to adapt that out when I import it (I'm taking all the urban areas from a similar map I'm doing for The Yankee Dominion, and editing it from there for context)

I've been considering the changes in TTL's urban areas compared to OTL.

-New Amsterdam/New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Baltimore were all well-established cities IOTL by 1800, so they aren't likely to be very different in TTL.
-Chicago, being the point of portage between the Mississippi and Great Lakes, would probably be even more important TTL, perhaps nearing OTL Los Angeles in size.
-Washington DC, of course, would not exist, nor would its extensive metro area; it would just be Alexandria, which would probably play second-fiddle to the greater Norfolk area as a Virginian port city. We might see the Hampton Roads area being much more populous than OTL.
-Toronto grew so large in part because it was the conjunction between the Grand Trunk Railroad, which connected Montreal to Chicago, and the Northern Railroad, which would connect to the West Coast. Here, the West Coast isn't as important, so there's no real reason for Toronto to grow as large as it did in OTL, unless Chicagou's increased importance makes up the difference.
-There would be no large South Florida conurbation. It might be there, but it surely does not have 6 million people.
-Havana, without the mass emigration and sanctions due to Castro's regime, and with its location and affluence, would probably continue growing to rival OTL Miami in size. However, it probably wouldn't grow quite as large, seeing as how it's still a Hispanophone city in a mostly French/English country*.
-Atlanta grew as a rail terminus connecting Savannah to the Midwest. It might still grow to be a sizable city, given that links between the Midwest and Caribbean are, if anything, more important than OTL, but on the other hand Charleston is bigger; a rail terminus connecting Chicagou to Charleston would likely be in Asheville, Watauga, which could conceivably be an Atlanta analogue, but on the other hand that route would go through the southern Appalachians and be difficult to lay tracks on. If we look at the road map and assume the roads go mostly along established rail routes, that would mean there is no major corridor from Carolina to Upper Country, and there wouldn't be any sort of city along such a route. In that case, Charleston would grow to be very large, especially as it's more convenient to connect the Northeast to the eastern Caribbean than New Orleans.
-Montreal might be slightly larger without the political tensions between Anglophone and Francophone communities and its subsequent attempts at independence- probably still larger than Toronto, maybe the size of OTL Toronto.
-Santo Domingo, as part of a larger Hispanophone country, might suffer from some of its population being siphoned off to wealthier cities such as Havana.
-Port-au-Prince would likely be a bit larger than OTL, given West Dominica's higher rate of urbanization. However, it might still lose population to mainland cities with more jobs.
-Minneapolis-St. Paul grew in part because initially it was the southernmost place where a railroad could cross the Mississippi. In this case, however, there isn't a west coast to necessitate such crossings. As the navigable head of said river, it's naturally destined to be a city, but it probably wouldn't be nearly as large as it is in OTL.
-Tampa is a sheltered harbor less prone to hurricanes than OTL Miami, it's near a major phosphate deposit, and it's convenient to the Hispanophone Caribbean, so it's likely to still be a regional center. However, the air force base that drove much of its growth in the mid-20th century won't be there, so it'll probably be smaller than OTL.
-Saint Louis is another city that benefited from connecting East to West across the Mississippi, so it's not likely to grow as much here.
-As a convenient midpoint between Canada and New Amsterdam, Albany will probably be larger than OTL.
-Since there aren't a whole lot of major Anglophone cities on the Great Lakes, The Cleveland area might be even more populous than OTL. However, since nearby Laconia is the actual capital of Upper Connecticut, I think it would be less centered on Cleveland and more multipolar: Laconia is the center of government, Cleveland is the center of trade, and Akron is the center of industry, with Cleveland being larger than the other two but not as dominant as OTL.

*I did some back-of-the-envelope math on mother tongue prevalence in the ASB. It came out to be something like French, 32%; English, 29%; Spanish, 15%; Various Native, 11%; Dutch, 5%; Swedish and German, 1% each; and the other 6% being others. These are of course rough estimates.
 
Minneapolis-St. Paul grew in part because initially it was the southernmost place where a railroad could cross the Mississippi. In this case, however, there isn't a west coast to necessitate such crossings. As the navigable head of said river, it's naturally destined to be a city, but it probably wouldn't be nearly as large as it is in OTL.
Also there is St Anthony falls for power which is why Minneapolis is where it is, St Paul being the head of navigation like you said.
 
*I did some back-of-the-envelope math on mother tongue prevalence in the ASB. It came out to be something like French, 32%; English, 29%; Spanish, 15%; Various Native, 11%; Dutch, 5%; Swedish and German, 1% each; and the other 6% being others. These are of course rough estimates.

I'll start here, because these numbers are pretty much spot on. Now I feel like on the one hand, the Indian languages collectively ought to be a little higher, given their institutionalized role in the six Indian states and various subdivisions; but on the other hand, given the rural nature of the Indian languages and OTL rates of urbanization, this is accurate. But I'm fairly sure that the ASB has a denser rural population than our USA and Canada. The land was settled slower, and the dominant pattern was private plots and commons clustered around villages, rather than dispersed homesteads. And especially in heavily indigenous areas, this village life has declined somewhat, but less so than what we see in our North American small towns. This different pattern might nudge the Indian language %age upward a little; but only a little.

-Toronto grew so large in part because it was the conjunction between the Grand Trunk Railroad, which connected Montreal to Chicago, and the Northern Railroad, which would connect to the West Coast. Here, the West Coast isn't as important, so there's no real reason for Toronto to grow as large as it did in OTL, unless Chicagou's increased importance makes up the difference.
-Chicago, being the point of portage between the Mississippi and Great Lakes, would probably be even more important TTL, perhaps nearing OTL Los Angeles in size.
-Saint Louis is another city that benefited from connecting East to West across the Mississippi, so it's not likely to grow as much here.
-Tampa is a sheltered harbor less prone to hurricanes than OTL Miami, it's near a major phosphate deposit, and it's convenient to the Hispanophone Caribbean, so it's likely to still be a regional center. However, the air force base that drove much of its growth in the mid-20th century won't be there, so it'll probably be smaller than OTL.

I'll talk about these next because they touch on the biggest dynamic that will affect movement and settlement in this timeline. The coast-to-coast axis of movement was important to the development of both the USA and Canada. In the ASB, that axis is going to be much less important, while links between the mainland and the Caribbean will be comparatively strong. I think you and I discussed cattle drives a while back, didn't we? In TTL, the bulk of cattle country lies in Mexican territory, so instead of being shipped to Chicago, the cattle drives would terminate at ports along the Texan coast. Galveston is right on the border with Lower Louisiana, but still under Mexican control. Other ports might be at Corpus Christi or a site that's unused in OTL... but one or more of them served as the center of the meatpacking industry.

This all means we have to carefully look at those cities that depend or depended on the trans-shipment of goods between east and west. Chicago, famous butcher to the world, is definitely one that will have had a very different economy in this timeline. As you say, it's still going to be important to the north-south trade axis as a point connecting the Great Lakes to Lower Louisiana and thence to the Caribbean. That should compensate for the loss of western trade, but I don't know if it will make it even bigger than in OTL. And you're right, Toronto's not going to be as big for that same reason.

Related to this, the lack of a US-Canadian border also changes certain trade routes and therefore certain cities. I reflected this with the Lake Superior ports. In OTL, Duluth developed as the main American port, and Fort William / Thunder Bay as the main Canadian one. In the ASB, there's no reason for two major ports, so there's just one big one, Grand Portage. Thunder Bay and Duluth exist as Conception and Fond-des-Lacs, both of them minor ports. Something similar is going to happen further east. In our timeline, America built the Erie Canal and Canada built the Welland, and each basically monopolized trade for nationals of their respective countries. In this timeline, those two canal routes were in free competition with each other, sometimes bitter competition. And in between, the main land route from Chicago eastward goes north of Lake Erie, not south of it; this gives a boost to the towns of our southern Ontario.

The Caribbean connection will affect other cities, as you mention. Charleston, definitely. Probably also New Orleans, though its growth might be limited by the constraints of the area. Maybe Mobile will also be bigger.

-New Amsterdam/New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and Baltimore were all well-established cities IOTL by 1800, so they aren't likely to be very different in TTL.

Probably. And all of them are going to be involved with the Caribbean trade, so the lack of western territory won't affect them much, I wouldn't think.

-Washington DC, of course, would not exist, nor would its extensive metro area; it would just be Alexandria, which would probably play second-fiddle to the greater Norfolk area as a Virginian port city. We might see the Hampton Roads area being much more populous than OTL.

Yes, definitely. Lower Virginia moved its capital back to Williamsburg in the 1920s to be closer to Hampton Roads.

-There would be no large South Florida conurbation. It might be there, but it surely does not have 6 million people.

Agreed. Some growth from tourism, but it's modest.

-Havana, without the mass emigration and sanctions due to Castro's regime, and with its location and affluence, would probably continue growing to rival OTL Miami in size. However, it probably wouldn't grow quite as large, seeing as how it's still a Hispanophone city in a mostly French/English country*.

Now I don't think the language barrier would be a problem at all. In all of the ASB's big cities, you can hear at least the three main national languages in one neighborhood or other. If you're an English or French speaker seeking opportunities in Havana, it's not at all hard to move there and get by in your own language while working on basic survival Spanish; same thing for Spanish or French speakers wanting to move to a major Anglophone city like Philadelphia. Havana has large and vibrant English- and French-speaking communities, and many more people with ancestors from up north who are assimilated to Cuban culture.

-Atlanta grew as a rail terminus connecting Savannah to the Midwest. It might still grow to be a sizable city, given that links between the Midwest and Caribbean are, if anything, more important than OTL, but on the other hand Charleston is bigger; a rail terminus connecting Chicagou to Charleston would likely be in Asheville, Watauga, which could conceivably be an Atlanta analogue, but on the other hand that route would go through the southern Appalachians and be difficult to lay tracks on. If we look at the road map and assume the roads go mostly along established rail routes, that would mean there is no major corridor from Carolina to Upper Country, and there wouldn't be any sort of city along such a route. In that case, Charleston would grow to be very large, especially as it's more convenient to connect the Northeast to the eastern Caribbean than New Orleans.

Yes, there was a discussion a few months back about Atlanta. Consensus was that, if it's the nineteenth century and I want to build a railroad, Atlanta is going to be an important point simply because it's where the mountains aren't. And that the Atlanta region was the last major land cession by Cherokee: Carolina purchased it in order to build a rail hub.

Asheville also grew up as a rail town, a bit later than Atlanta. In TTL the city there is Taliqua, Watauga, which was founded as a Cherokee town within Watauga. By now the city itself is mostly English (largely ethnic Piedmonters like the rest of Watauga), but the country around it is still largely Cherokee by ethnicity.

-Since there aren't a whole lot of major Anglophone cities on the Great Lakes, The Cleveland area might be even more populous than OTL. However, since nearby Laconia is the actual capital of Upper Connecticut, I think it would be less centered on Cleveland and more multipolar: Laconia is the center of government, Cleveland is the center of trade, and Akron is the center of industry, with Cleveland being larger than the other two but not as dominant as OTL.

Definitely true. The lowland within which Cleveland is situated is attractive enough that it would still be the main city, but the mouth of the Grand River could also be an important port with some investment and improvement. I should say that I have retconned the name of that city (OTL Painesville/Fairport Harbor) way too many times. The latest and hopefully final name is Champion, which has the advantage of being both a historical name and the right feel for the setting.

[Edit: I'll add some commentary to these last few.]

-As a convenient midpoint between Canada and New Amsterdam, Albany will probably be larger than OTL.

Which goes with the idea that the border there is not much of a trade barrier. That route is a very busy one.

-Montreal might be slightly larger without the political tensions between Anglophone and Francophone communities and its subsequent attempts at independence- probably still larger than Toronto, maybe the size of OTL Toronto.

I don't think it's true that the political tensions are gone - there is a Francophone populist party, because Canadians especially feel threatened and marginalized by the wealth of the Anglophone (plus Dutch) Central States. But it's definitely true that Canada does not have 200 years of English rule to feel resentful about.

-Santo Domingo, as part of a larger Hispanophone country, might suffer from some of its population being siphoned off to wealthier cities such as Havana.
-Port-au-Prince would likely be a bit larger than OTL, given West Dominica's higher rate of urbanization. However, it might still lose population to mainland cities with more jobs.

That's right, freedom of movement from Hispaniola to Cuba and the mainland means that it's probably going to lose more people; on the other hand, it's also going to be somewhat wealthier than in OTL for the same reason.

-Minneapolis-St. Paul grew in part because initially it was the southernmost place where a railroad could cross the Mississippi. In this case, however, there isn't a west coast to necessitate such crossings. As the navigable head of said river, it's naturally destined to be a city, but it probably wouldn't be nearly as large as it is in OTL.

Yes, a regional metropolis only. And unlike OTL, it's divided between 2 states, so there's less coordination between them.

Now it's not to say that there isn't some western trade. The three inland republics (Lakotah, Punkah, and Omaha) are heavily dependent on trade with the ASB. And Oregon and California are less developed than in OTL, but they still exist, and people and goods from time to time need to move between them and the ASB.
 
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