IDK if this is better or worse TBH. I cleaned up the stripes and tried to clean up the shield but I'm worried it's too pixellated at the bottom.
What do you think?
Affiliated States of Boreoamerica thread
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IDK if this is better or worse TBH. I cleaned up the stripes and tried to clean up the shield but I'm worried it's too pixellated at the bottom.
What do you think?
I mean wow. That's just amazing. It's definitely a great start (Admittedly, I could see a good chunk of the numbers changing as the TL further develops).
Still, it's really fascinating to see your thought process for this. So thank you for the explanation!
Out of curiosity, are the presumed Creole languages of the ASB simply filed under French, English, Indigenious, etc.? Or will the numbers be simply modified to take into account whatever new info is added to the TL?
That looks fantastic! And you're right - Manitoba's Coat of Arms does look very nice with the blanket.
Thinking about the HBC connection/the fact that these blankets were traded for Beaver belts though, it might make sense to replace the bison with a beaver done in a style invoking the art of Rupertia's Indigenous/Metis population (says the person who has no graphical talent).
Still though, amazing flag idea!
I did not consider creole languages at all, so it's up into the air. As for updating with new information, I admit that I haven't been terribly good at updating my posts when they conflict with canon, so ideally yes, realistically no.
A beaver is also a possibility, but bison were also centrally important to most indigenous peoples in the prairies, culturally and as a food source. Bison hunting also had an important role to play in the fur trade, as pemmican made from bison was the standard foodstuff of fur-trading voyageurs from around the turn of the 19th century onwards- it's calorically dense, easy to transport, and can keep for literal years if stored right, so it represented a major improvement on their previous diet of salt pork and hardtack. The HBC had a number of trading posts across the prairies that were essentially mass-producing pemmican, with a labour force of mostly indigenous women and children- it was this massive demand for pemmican that almost drove the bison to extinction on the Canadian prairies. The bison hunt was also very important to the emergence of the Metis people- arguably their first governmental institutions were their annual buffalo hunts, which had elected chiefs and councils, and an agreed-upon list of Laws of the Hunt that later became the basis for local government in some Metis communities.
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Fair enough
Those are all pretty good points. Admittedly, I was thinking along the lines that if Rupertians decided to go all out with using the point blanket as an inspiration for the flag, they might choose the beaver since it seems to be the most strongly associated trade good with the blanket. Based on what you said though, it also seems possibly that trading the blankets for pemmican might supersede the association the blanket has of with beaver belts ITTL. And of course, they could just use the bison purely because it seems cooler than the beaver - which is also a very fair point.
Hmm - not really sure. This list of U.S. state mammals has the Beaver as the official mammal of both New York and Oregon. The White-tailed deer (surprising to me at least) also seems to be a really popular choice for official state mammal. It might end up being a super common state mammal in the ASB too - assuming the states ITTL want to designate a state mammal.
Also considering the importance of the turtle as a symbol in the ASB, a lot of states might have some variant of turtle as the state reptile (maybe a large majority) or even the state animal in general.
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I'm currently making a Mosaic Earth and debating what to put in the USA. So far I've locked in California from A Golden Island to the West, Texas (only the Texas Commonwealth) from Lone Star Republic, five states (Transylvania, Georgia, West and East Florida, and Mayaimi) from the Union of American Realms. and New England from Our Fair Country; I also want to take at least the Northeast and Pacific Northwest from A More Perfect Union. Currently my two remaining main contenders for the region are TTL and Oh I Wish I Was in Dixie. I'd ideally like to take the most important, powerful and/or unique regions from TTL.
P.S. Sorry for the necro.
P.S. Sorry for the necro.
Gian
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Ah that's OK. I don't know what @False Dmitri's cooking up lately, but I think it'll be great.
Anyways, I'm making (another) map of potentially the ASB, but also for something based on it.
If it's not too much to ask, would you mind making a WorldA map of the ASB?
Gian
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I think someone already did that. You could try and snoop around this thread if you want.
Gian
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So to restart interest in this thread again @False Dmitri, I thought I might share in a little SVG project (WIP atm) of mine:
So to restart interest in this thread again @False Dmitri, I thought I might share in a little SVG project (WIP atm) of mine:
10/10. I agree, it's been a long while since we've had any more posts about the good ol' AS of B.
Gian
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10/10. I agree, it's been a long while since we've had any more posts about the good ol' AS of B.
Unfortunately, I don't really have a full list of city names (especially for Illinois and Ohio). Maybe @False Dmitri can help
Gian
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What I'm talking about is this: I'm using this as a basemap for the cities, but the list of cities that @False Dmitri has for much of the ASB is limited at best.
I'm also requesting help from you guys with the names of the cities (primarily @Venusian Si, @Tsochar, @Višeslav, and others)
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Oh. By that, you mean making up new names for settlements? Or looking up obscure settlements that would have thrived to the present day ITTL?
Gian
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Trying to look up names for settlements that fit the primary culture of it inhabitants (especially for the Old Northwest as many of the initial settlers IOTL were Anglophone Americans that simply won't be as widespread ITTL
@Gian Very pretty map! I like the balance between the rivers, city names, and state names.