Affiliated States of Boreoamerica thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by False Dmitri, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    This is an idea for a flag of Cuba. I'm working out a timeline for the state and have pretty much decided on an earlier revolution against Spanish rule, no later than 1850. I want the flag to look like it comes from that era. The key represents Cuba's role as "Key to the Americas," which is also in the OTL coat of arms. The red stripe (maybe too predictably, I don't know) represents both the land of Cuba and the red blood of patriotism. This is surrounded by blue as Cuba is surrounded by the sea.

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  2. terranova210486 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2014
    Looks cool to me
  3. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    Hey, thanks. I'm happy to be finally posting some content for Cuba, I've been trying for years.
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  4. Tsochar Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2010
    Not exactly on-topic, but I was amused to see that an AI-only game of EU4 seems to have randomly created something uncannily similar to the ASB. A nation with both European and Native predecessor states occupies the eastern half of North America while a Commonwealth rules Russia and Scandinavia, and California is independent:

    Relevant link
    Basically, Drew set up an AI-only game where Ulm, well-known Paradox meme country, was enormously overpowered. The various European powers, sans France, colonized the New World as usual, but then Ulm gobbled them all up and (one assumes) fed their colonies to its allies, in this case Iroquois and Charrua. Iroquois, in the process, just so happened to get its borders approximating those of our ASB.

    -France did not colonize in this world outside of Argentina, because Castile united with them instead of Aragon, and subsequently imploded.
    -New Holland, located between OTL Hampton Roads north to OTL Western Pennsylvania, was the main predecessor state for modern Iroquois. The Dutch also owned Texas as a separate colony.
    -Iroquois came to own the area directly east of New Holland, stretching from OTL New Jersey to OTL Upstate New York.
    -Iroquois annexed New Holland first, while California annexed Dutch Texas, which was subsequently annexed by Louisiana.
    -The British colonized OTL Canada (including OTL New Hampshire and Vermont but excluding British Columbia), and it also took a Spanish-speaking colony located between OTL Florida and South Carolina which took the name "The Thirteen Colonies." The former declared independence while the latter remained loyalist.
    -The British also colonized Colombia, Central America, and the Andes.
    -While Ulm conquered western Europe, Iroquois and Charrua gobbled up the colonies belonging to the defeated Europeans.
    -Charrua started off in Buenos Aires, was pushed to southern Paraguay, and managed to conquer French La Plata when Castile-France imploded, then it took over the rest of the continent when Drew wasn't looking.
    -When Japan was unifying, one of the feudal Japanese states colonized an area in the Pacific Northwest around OTL Prince Rupert, British Columbia. It subsequently became independent, stayed around for a while, and was annexed by Britain.
    -Milan almost united Italy, but it imploded. Korea somehow got Umbria.

    Present (game end year 1821):
    -Iroquois, like the ASB, is a multilingual country. Rather than French and English, the most widely spoken languages in Iroquois (according to the culture map mode) are Dutch and Spanish, with English spoken in the northern provinces and Central America, Portuguese in the Caribbean, a smattering of Native languages in the inland portions, and Norwegian on the isle of Newfoundland.
    -Religiously, Iroquois is a Totemist nation (which EU4 treats as a single religion), with some adherents of Catholicism along the border with Louisiana.
    -Charrua is similarly multilingual. Its people primarily speak Portuguese in OTL coastal Brazil (except for the Amazon basin), English in the Amazon down to Paraguay, French in OTL Argentina, and indigenous languages in the Andes.
    -The Commonwealth here is actually descended from the Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and Europeans never bothered settling the Far East.
    -Louisiana, like Mexico in the ASB-verse, is mostly Catholic and Spanish-speaking, although English is spoken in the areas that belong to Canada in OTL, and at one point in history Texas was owned by the Dutch.
    -California, unlike the ASB-verse counterpart, is almost exclusively Portuguese-speaking.
    -Cascadia is independent, but it is not visible on this map. It incorporates former Portuguese and Spanish colonies.
    -The Alaskan Panhandle contains a colony named "British Alaska Panhandle," which itself contains a formerly independent Japanese colony.
    -We have next to no information about government types.
  5. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    What are holiday celebrations like in the ASB?
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  6. Tsochar Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2010
    Good question.

    National Day
    I imagine there would be a national day commemorating the formation of the ASB. Most countries have a national day in their date of independence, but parts of the ASB never declared independence, and technically still aren't. In OTL, the Cook Islands has the date of self-government as its national holiday.
    Other countries have the date of the adoption of the current Constitution or other significant document. Some monarchies have the birthday or date of succession for the current monarch, or for the first monarch. Canada, whose founding probably most closely resembles that of the ASB, has the date when the three provinces were confederated as their national holiday.

    A few dates which could be considered "founding" might be:
    Council Day: The date in 796 when the Council of Three Fires was founded.
    Covenant Day: The date in the 17th century when European colonists and native leaders first became officially allied.
    Columbus/Discovery Day: The date in 1492 when the New World was discovered by Europeans
    Grand Council Day: The founding of the Grand Council of State in 1810
    Affiliation Day: The date in 1841 when the various associations between states were first referred to as the ASB
    Parliament Day: The date in 1868 when the first modern Parliament met

    Of all these, 1841 is listed as the foundation date on the weebly site.

    In addition to one of these, I think most of the states would themselves have holidays commemorating some state-specific event, like a declaration of independence or a coronation date or a self-government date.

    New Years'
    Perhaps the most internationally significant secular holiday, New Years' would surely be celebrated in the ASB.

    Of course, as a mostly Christian nation, it's highly likely that the ASB would have Christmas put aside as a national holiday. With that said, some of the states (especially the Catholic ones) might actually celebrate Epiphany, 12 days later, as their major winter holiday.

    Carnival/Mardi Gras and holidays associated with the beginning of Lent
    Many Catholic countries hold carnival in February in anticipation of Lent. New Orleans is famous for Mardi Gras, for example.

    Easter and nearby holidays associated with the end of Lent
    Easter is for many practicing Christians the most significant religious holiday of the year, considering the gradual secularization of Christmas. While Carnival is more associated with Catholicism, Easter is practically universal among Christians.

    Labour Day
    Depending on the development of workers' rights in the ASB-verse, Labour Day could be on any day, really, although May 1st is most popular. Other dates include later in May, June, and early September.

    Boxing Day/ Goodwill Holiday
    A day coinciding with gift-giving holidays. In OTL this is mostly Boxing day, the day after Christmas from the UK, but the ASB might have something entirely different depending on which holiday is a major

    Indigenous Peoples Day
    Could be different from our idea of Indigenous Peoples Day, considering that Indigenous peoples are both more represented in TTL and not quite as historically oppressed.

    Thanksgiving/ Harvest holiday
    A day celebrating a successful harvest. I wonder what kind of harvest holiday a Caribbean state would have.

    Halloween/ Allhallowtide/ Mask holiday
    Holidays that involve masks or costumes, which encompasses a wide variety of celebrations.

    Mothers' Day/ Fathers' Day/ Grandparents Day
    A day commemorating one's own family.

    Emancipation Day/ Abolition Day/ Juneteenth
    A day commemorating the abolition of slavery and, more generally, the struggle for equal civil rights.

    Heritage Holiday
    A day commemorating a specific ethnic heritage, for example El Dia de la Raza in some Hispanic countries.

    Other Christian holidays
    Pentecost, Day of the Immaculate Conception, The Assumption, All Saints' Day, Mothering Sunday, Christian Unity day, Corpus Christi, Walpurgisnacht, other Saint-associated holidays

    Other secular holidays
    Commemorations of past wars, celebrations of historical figures, culture-specific celebrations, nonspecific National Heroes Day, Civic Holiday, Community Service Day, Midsummer Holiday

    I think in particular, the ASB could have a Canada-like Civic Holiday, where the nation decides on an arbitrary celebration date and each state ascribes its own meaning to the day.
  7. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes

    And Affiliation Day definitely has the best ring to it. So let's ruminate on that for a bit. It was a momentous period in ASB history, though it didn't necessarily look that way at the time. For twenty years after the last great imperial war, the continent had achieved an almost unprecedented level of political stability. The French colonies credited this to the steadying influence of the Kingdom of New France, which began in 1811. King Jérôme himself was never wildly popular, but it really meant something that the old office of Onontio was filled not by a mere Governor, but by a King. Most of the other states on the continent joined the Congress of the Nations during the same era, expanding it from a modest body for regulating trade among the Anglophones, into an assembly strong enough to replace war as a means of resolving most disputes. In addition to these institutions, there was the Grand Council, a rather ill-defined and mysterious, but still powerful body that took in an even wider collection of states than the Congress. Its purpose was maintaining the peace that had begun in the 1810s, and in that it had been successful. Wars still were fought, but thanks to the Grand Council, together with the Congress and the Kingdom of New France, these wars stayed local and well-contained.

    When New France collapsed in 1833, many feared that the power vacuum would wreck this system and bring an end to the twenty-year peace. But that's not what happened. Instead, one by one the fragments of New France asked to join their neighboring states in the Congress of the Nations. So by the end of the 1830s, the memberships of Congress and the Grand Council almost totally overlapped. With the French states disunited and the English dominions reduced in size, there was now a remarkable lack of great powers to contend for control of the region. The way was paved for Boreoamericans to start thinking of their states as a confederation of equals, with the two deliberative bodies as its main institutions.

    So the Act and Treaty of Affiliation that circulated through the states in 1840-41 didn't actually do much more than codify the new status quo. But its effect was profound nonetheless. Giving the confederation a name turned it, in the minds of its citizens, into a thing, something to be for or against, something that could be the object of loyalty or mistrust. Something that would, in time, acquire an elected Parliament, a set of national symbols, an administration, and a growing list of governing powers. Affiliation Day specifically commemorates the day on August 16, 1841, when the Grand Council met in New Amsterdam to accept the ratifications of the member states and adopt the name Affiliated States of Boreoamerica. Those ratifications, by the way, were not like the dramatic events of OTL surrounding the adoption of the US Constitution. The Act was seen as a relatively minor adjustment to existing state relations, and in many states it was approved simply via the signature of the equivalent of a Foreign Minister. Its importance emerged only in retrospect. The first Affiliation Day celebration was in 1855, also in New Netherland, and it took years to become a universally observed holiday.

    It's a late summer holiday, so Affiliation Day has some traditions in common with Independence Day in the US: barbecues, outdoor festivals, parades. Canoe or sailing races, and other watersports, have a strong association with the holiday. Most communities use it to showcase local folk culture, especially costume, music and dance, though there are other holidays when this is also done. The rhetoric and mythology of the day is different from OTL since the focus is on peace rather than independence or freedom.

    Some of the other days are observed locally. Columbus Day is a very big deal in East Dominica and East Florida, and probably some other states as well. I like the idea of celebrating the Council of Three Fires and the Covenant Chain. Those don't have specific, historically verifiable days, but I think they probably have official commemorations in the Upper Country and in New Netherland and Iroquoia, respectively. The peace of 1810 was hugely important, but I don't think it's got a holiday. Parliament Day sounds like the kind of thing that has an official date, but no one outside of government really pays attention to it. Or schools observe it by teaching special lessons, not by taking the day off.

    As an aside, the most up-to-date version of the timeline is actually here on the Wiki:

    I don't know if you've seen it or not, but I wrote a description of "Christmas in the Upper Country" a while back. Search isn't helping me find the post, so I'll just copy the content from the website:

    And I would think that many of the traditions have spread beyond the traditional Catholic states, and that many cities that aren't French or Spanish have some kind of Carnival in the early spring.

    May 1 in OTL comes from an 1886 incident in Chicago that probably did not happen in TTL, since Chicagou's industry developed so much more slowly - in the 1880s, it was probably not yet the kind of place where a labor dispute would spark an international movement.

    The English Caribbean also has Junkanoo on that day, something that has also picked up some traditions similar to those of Carnival. In a country of both Catholics and Protestants, we'd have to think about how those two traditions would interact. Something tells me that few places are going to want two giant Carnivals within a couple of months every year. Maybe there's a kind of national "Carnival season" that starts the day after Christmas and lasts til the start of Lent, with different communities holding it at different times and the top performers playing the whole circuit.

    This might vary state by state. In OTL there are several countries in Latin America that use Columbus Day for this purpose - Americans didn't invent the idea. But in TTL there are certainly some states in which indigenous culture has been celebrated as part of the normal civic holidays, rather than as a reaction to a pro-colonialist observance. This might be a good use for your Civic Holiday idea - it's dedicated to indigenous cultures in many states, I'm sure.

    These are American traditions that I find absolutely delightful, so I would definitely like to see them transfer over in some form.

    The family day(s) are probably coordinated across the ASB, but I imagine that emancipation and ethnic holidays are tied to local areas, since slavery ended in different ways at different times everywhere. On the other hand, Juneteenth is a local holiday that became a national one. Maybe the ASB has some event that has caught on everywhere.

    Tying a civic celebration to a saint's day seems to be a French thing. In Canada, it's probably St. John the Baptist Day (June 24), as in OTL. I've mentioned that in Lower Louisiana it's St. Expedite's Day (April 19).

    I like this last idea a whole lot. It's very fitting to the setting. Probably some states have folded their main civic celebration into the Civic Holiday, while others have been more stubborn in clinging to an Independence Day or other historical observance, alongside the Civic Holiday.

    Awesome list, thanks very much!
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  8. Threadmarks: Short description of each state

    False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    Something else I'd like to share. One of the things about this thread is that old posts stick around after they're out of date. Post #3 on this thread is a short description of each state. On my own site, I've been gradually expanding on that list for years, but til now I never posted an update here. Links go to the relevant Weebly pages.

    1. State of Allegheny (AL)
      Two Forts (Pittsburgh)
      Lying between the major European empires, Allegheny was considered an Iroquois sphere for nearly two centuries. A growing population of White and and Mixed people made it more difficult for the Iroquois to control directly. The treaties that established local control of Allegheny are an important part of the origin of the ASB. Outside the capital of Two Forts, it is an economically struggling mountain state.

    2. Province of the Arques (AR)
      Champ-d'Espoir (West Memphis)
      Also spelled Arks and once known as Middle Louisiana, this state was the result of a boundary agreement between Louisiana and Mexico. It was an important destination for Mormon settlers, and the LDS church has a strong presence in the state today.

    3. State of Assiniboia (AS)
      Assiniboia was founded as an attempt by the English Hudson's Bay Company to create a settler colony in their territory of Rupertsland. Most of the settlers who arrived were French-speaking Métis with origins in the states of the ASB. Their desire for stronger links with the ASB led to conflict with the company, and Assiniboia became a member state after throwing off company rule in a revolt.

    4. Commonwealth of the Bahamas (BA)
      Rothesay (Nassau)
      The Bahamas were first settled by people from Bermuda and variously attached to either Virginia or Carolina. A rebellion by Jacobite privateers set the islands on an independent course. They earned a reputation as a hive of illegal activity. Today tourism has replaced smuggling and piracy.

    5. State of Bermuda (BE)
      Saint George
      Settled accidentally by English colonists after a shipwreck, Bermuda has had a storied past. Its strategic location on the way to Europe made it a key to English power in the Caribbean. Historically it was a dependency of Virginia. It became a fully separate state in the mid-19th century. Bermuda's territory included the Turks and Caicos Islands before they achieved statehood in 2018. The secession has left Bermuda as the smallest state by area.

    6. Canada (CA)
      France's largest colony, Canada has always been one of the driving forces in the ASB's political and cultural life. Huronia and the Upper Country were originally Canadian dependencies and it had intermittent control of Illinois. Canada's alliances with interior nations are some of the ASB's bedrock institutions.

    7. State of Carolina (CL)
      The history of Carolina is largely defined by tension, conflict, and shifting alliances between its three main ethnic groups: white Lower Carolian descendants of the first planters, black descendants of enslaved laborers, and Piedmonters, the Scottish and Scotch-Irish settlers of the mountainous Backcountry.

    8. The Cayman Islands (CI)
      George Town
      Historically the islands were closely tied to Jamaica, which is not part of the ASB. The Caymans also have strong economic links to Cuba and the Bahamas and joined the ASB quite late, one of the few examples of a state joining all at once rather than being slowly drawn in to the alliance system.

    9. Cherokee Nation (CK)
      Echota (in Monroe Cty., TN)
      Cherokee descends from a strong Indian chiefdom that survived colonization by strategically adopting pieces of White culture and working with England. It was formally an English protectorate before being a state of the ASB. Its head of state still has the title of Emperor - one of only a few Indian chiefs to keep a monarchical title.

    10. Chicasaw Nation (CS)
      Pontotoc (near Tupelo, MS)
      Of the four southern chiefdoms, Chicasaw had the least direct influence from Europe and maintained neutrality for much of the colonial era. Nevertheless, the Chicasaw people were able to adapt their institutions into those of a modern state and thereby survive the turbulence of colonization.

    11. Choctaw Nation (CT)
      Kunsha (in Jasper Cty., MS)
      Another Indian chiefdom, Choctaw's strongest colonial ties were to France via Louisiana. Like its neighbors, Choctaw incorporated what was useful from European culture to evolve into a modern state.

    12. Realm of Christiana (CR)
      Christiana (executive), Upland (legislative) (Wilmington, DE, and Woodbury, NJ)
      The successor to the New Sweden colony, for much of its history it was dominated by the English of Pennsylvania, though the Swedish inhabitants were allowed to maintain a kind of separate existence. Self-government and statehood came in the late 18th century along with restored links with the Swedish monarchy. The state's identity is a hybrid of Swedish, Lenape, and English.

    13. Republic of Cuba (CU)
      Cuba had a turbulent history as part of the Spanish empire, cycling through periods of neglect and oppression. After multiple revolts, many of them led by members of Cuba's vibrant free Black community, and diplomatic intervention by the ASB, it established a republican government by the mid-19th century. Strong economic links with Louisiana and the Floridas made ASB membership natural for Cuba, but today it has an active separatist movement.

    14. Dakota (DA)
      Wahpeton (Mason City, IA)
      Dakota originated as an alliance between the French and the eastern Sioux. Many Indian people from groups to the southwest came to the state in the late 19th century as Mexican homesteaders put pressure on their lands.

    15. Principality of East Acadia (AE)
      A former French colony, East Acadia's capital Louisbourg is the cultural capital of the Franco-Acadian people. Acadia was made a principality in the days of the French Empire, and its people restored the monarchy when they broke away from the French Republic and called back the prince, member of a branch of the house of Bonaparte.

    16. Republic of East Dominica (DE)
      Santo Domingo
      Spain's first colony and the gem of the Caribbean, Santo Domingo has had an indescribably big impact on the history of the hemisphere. It entered the community of Boreoamerican states after being conquered by the forces of liberated West Dominica. Its physical distance and history of conflict with its neighbor means that the state has always had an ambivalent relationship with the ASB. Its separatist movement is the strongest in the confederation.

    17. Captaincy-General of East Florida (FE)
      San Agustín
      Spain's most successful colony on the mainland north of Mexico, East Florida kept its monarchy to this day. Its royal house is now separate from the one still in Spain, and the monarch lives in Florida.

    18. Province of Huronia (HU)
      Named for the Huron-Petun people, Huronia was settled largely by Métis people after wars with the Iroquois seriously depopulated it. Huronia was first organized as a self-governing province of Canada, later achieving full independence from it as a separate state. Its large and well balanced economy makes it a powerhouse today.

    19. State of Illinois (IL)
      Illinois arose from the gradual merging of the old Illinois confederacy and local French settlements into an independent, mixed Franco-Indian society. Its culture is a mix of French, Illinois Creole, English, and Potawatomi.

    20. Confederation of Iroquoia (the Eight Nations) (IR)
      According to oral tradition, Iroquoia was founded in the eleventh century, which would make its Grand Council the second oldest legislature in the world. Iroquoia tried to position itself as one of the continent's imperial powers back in North America's age of warfare. It claimed land to the west and south of its present borders. Its alliance with New Netherland, called the Covenant Chain, is one of the ASB's ancestral institutions.

    21. The Labrador Coast (LA)
      The ASB's rugged far north, inaccessible by land, is the only subarctic state. Its governing institutions evolved from a court run by Canada and Newfoundland to regulate fishing along the coast. It gained full statehood in 1950, the most recent part of the ASB to be admitted until the 2018 accession of Turks and Caicos.

    22. Provice of Lower Connecticut (LC)
      Connecticut was founded as a Puritan colony. It quickly bought most of the territory of the struggling Saybrook Province, including giant tracts in the far west. Connecticut's resulting colonization projects became the modern states of Upper Connecticut and Poutaxia. Lower Connecticut is a loyalist state today; it rejoined the Dominion of New England after a brief period of independence.

    23. Province of Lower Louisiana (BL)
      New Orleans
      This state is the home of a celebrated creole culture combining French, Choctaw, Spanish and Caribbean elements. It remains an important trading center, though its vast wetlands are facing grave environmental threats.

    24. Commonwealth of Lower Virginia (LV)
      A colony that overthrew English rule and established a republic, Virginia was by far the most expansionistic of the English states. It took over part of the coast claimed by Carolina and annexed a great deal of land west of the mountains, today the state of Upper Virginia. Virginia's acquisitiveness led to many conflicts with its neighbors, but the treaties of the early 19th century drew it into the alliance structure of the ASB.

    25. Royal Province of Maryland (ML)
      Maryland was founded by a manorial English Catholic family looking to profit from plantation agriculture. It separated from the rest of the English colonies after 1689 when its Lord Proprietor supported the Jacobite claimant to the throne. Nowadays its economy is based on shipping and manufacturing.

    26. Republic of Massachusetts Bay (MB)
      The state, and its capital Boston, have been the economic engine of New England since they were founded. It broke away from English rule in a violent revolution in the late 1700s. Something about the tea.

    27. Confederation of Muscoguia (MU)
      Toquebache (near Tallassee, AL)
      Of the four southern Indian states, Muscoguia was the most aggressively expansionist. In the early 18th century, Muscogui warriors conquered most of Spanish East Florida, where they split off to form the Seminol people. In the 19th century Muscoguia positioned itself as a power broker, helping to create a balance between English, French, and Spanish influence in the region.

    28. Dominion of Newfoundland (NF)
      St. John's
      Newfoundland is considered England's oldest colony, the English presence dating to the late sixteenth century. It remained loyal through the years and transitioned peacefully into a self-governing dominion. It is known for the peculiarities in its language and culture, which developed from its isolation and from its mixture of English and Irish ways.

    29. Free State of New Hampshire (NH)
      Falmouth (Portland, ME)
      The state dates to the division of the original Maine colony into New Hampshire and New Somersetshire. New Somersetshire failed, but it was re-absorbed into New Hampshire rather than handed over to Massachusetts. New Hampshire then continued to expand northward, becoming by far the largest state in New England and the one with the largest proportion of non-Yankees.

    30. Republic of New Netherland (NN)
      New Amsterdam (NYC - same as the confederal capital)
      NN was one of the original core states of the ASB. Its capital New Amsterdam has become one of the world's great cities. Elsewhere on its territory, which stretches from Oswego to western Long Island and from the Adirondacks to the east bank of the Delaware, its population of Dutch settlers has been augmented by many English, Scottish, French, German, Mohawk, and Lenape people, along with more recent immigrants from Europe and the Caribbean.

    31. Province of New Scotland (NS)
      Port Royal
      This was Scotland's only successful American colony. For two hundred years, close allies Scotland and France allowed their two colonies, New Scotland and Acadia, to overlap and coexist on the same territory. Clear borders came as both colonies took steps toward self-government. New Scotland speaks both Scots and Gaelic with significant French and Yankee minorities.

    32. State of Ohio (OH)
      Pekoui (Piqua, OH)
      Ohio is the Land Between, a place where for centuries multiple interests competed for control, ultimately having no choice but to work together. Ohioans consider their state the glue that holds the ASB together, and they are not far off. A local Métis trading elite in the late 18th century built the state's major institutions and engineered the cooperation of Ohio's many neighbors. Securing lasting peace and order in Ohio was in fact one of the main reasons that the ASB became a permanent alliance and then a government.

    33. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (PN)
      Penn's colony has had a tremendous influence on the ASB despite its small size. It represented the middle point of English colonial civilization, a balance between the taciturn New Englanders and the plantation culture of the South. The large, prosperous population of Pennamites poured westward and helped develop the states of the Great Lakes and Ohio regions into what they are today. And Pennsylvania's tradition of peaceful coexistence with its Indian neighbors helped to temper the land hunger of the Yankees and Virginians.

    34. Province of Plymouth (PL)
      Plymouth is New England's oldest state, dating to the Pilgrim Fathers of the early seventeenth century. Like its neighbors, Rhode Island and Lower Connecticut, Plymouth declared independence but soon returned to the Loyalist fold, deciding that limited monarchy was more tolerable than alliance with the overbearing Massachusetts Bay.

    35. State of Poutaxia (PX)
      Wilkspar (Wilkes-Barre, PA)
      Poutaxia (pronounced "Putaksha") is named for the Delaware River, also called the Poutaxat. In colonial days it was home to a diverse population and overlapping imperial claims. Congress worked with locals to form a state government. Today it is known as an economically struggling mountain state with a rich, varied culture.

    36. Province of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (RI)
      Founded by freethinkers fleeing the strict Puritan rule in the other parts of New England, Rhode Island has always had a fiercely independent streak. Dominion membership was seen as a way to resist encroachment by its neighbors, and Rhode Island's feisty nature helped keep the Dominion from becoming too centralized or oppressive.

    37. Saint John's Island (SJ)
      La-Joye (Charlottetown, PE)
      The island is part of the Acadia region and was shared for many years by East Acadia and New Scotland. An influx of New England Yankees helped bring it out of the orbit of those two states to become a state of its own.

    38. Collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon (SP)
      Norman, Breton, and Basque fishermen have used the tiny islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon since the Grand Banks fishery was first discovered. After France lost its other colonies, the islands became its last colonial toehold in ASB territory. And while it is a full-fledged state of the ASB, it has not completely cut links with France. The state is the confederation's smallest by population.

    39. Province of Saybrook (SB)
      Named for its original financiers, Lords Saye and Brooke, Saybrook had hard times early on and had to sell much of its land to Connecticut, including its claims to western land. Saybrook developed into a society rather different from its neighbors that included a large Indian population, a prominent landowning gentry, and close ties to the Crown. It was the only New England state to vote against Independence, and it remains a proud member of the Dominion of New England.

    40. Seminol Republic (SE)
      Calusahachi (near Ft. Myers, FL)
      Seminol descends from an Indian chiefdom that has absorbed many Spanish, English Carolian, and Caribbean elements. Spain claimed Seminol as a protectorate but never colonized it directly. The hereditary chiefdom was overthrown in a revolution in the mid-19th century.

    41. State of Turks and Caicos (TC)
      Cockburn Town
      Bermudans colonized Turks and Caicos to harvest salt, and the islands remained a Bermudan dependency for more than three hundred years. A corruption scandal in the 2010s led to popular demands for reform, which quickly became a movement for statehood. The ASB's "last colony" finally became a state in May of 2019.

    42. Free State of Upper Connecticut (UC)
      Champion (Painesville, OH)
      UC was an audacious project by (Lower) Connecticut to make good on its land claims in the west. Its citizens began to grow suspicious of Lower Connecticut's government when it restored a Loyalist government; a few years later, it became a separate state and rejected all offers to join up with its larger neighbors. Upper Connecticuters like to think of themselves as the scrappy underdog of the ASB, struggling mightily against all odds and despite their state's small size.

    43. The Upper Country (the Pays-d'en-Haut) (PH)
      The Pays-d'en-Haut began as a network of allied tribes and villages under the leadership of French officials. It is the ASB's largest state and contains many different cultures; alongside the predominant French and Ashininaabe are a great variety of peoples scattered among the state's countless bays and islands.

    44. Province of Upper Louisiana (HL)
      HL and Illinois were a single colony in the 17th century. In the 18th, as Illinois evolved into a semi-independent Mixed society, the French founded new settlements on the west side of the Mississippi River that could function as more directly controlled colonies. Settled by Creole people, the state developed into a northern extension of Louisianan society.

    45. Commonwealth of Upper Virginia (UV)
      Brynston (Lexington, KY)
      This territory was occupied and settled by Virginians in the late eighteenth century It was split off as its own state in 1850. Upper Virginia was the birthplace of a distinct English Pioneer culture that greatly influenced the surrounding regions. Today it is most famous for its distinct varieties of horses and whiskey.

    46. Vermont Republic (VM)
      Capital rotates every 20 years; currently Bennington
      Vermont was founded by hardscrabble Yankee farmers and mountaineers who refused to give up their land in the face of disputes with New Netherland. It has found itself often at the forefront of ASB politics despite its small size.

    47. Province of the Vineyards (VY)
      Edgar Town
      The little islands of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket were first colonized as a feudal manor. They moved from proprietary rule toward responsible civil government in the late eighteenth century. They are part of the Dominion of New England and are home to a peculiar take on Yankee culture and dialect.

    48. State of Watauga (WA)
      Springdon (Greeneville, TN)
      English-speaking settlers from Carolina founded the settlements in the Watauga valley in the later eighteenth century without official royal support. When Virginia and other states began to declare their independence from England, the Watauga settlers lost no time in creating their own state government. Its history and culture are closely tied up with Upper Virginia, and the two states have a long-running debate on the topic of whiskey styles.

    49. State of West Acadia (AO)
      Le Coude (Moncton, NB)
      The largest state of Acadia and the last part to be heavily colonized, West Acadia was for a long time a wild no-man's-land shared by France and Scotland. A class of Anglophone Scottish merchants led the way on developing the area economically, though a majority of the population is Franco-Acadian. The state also has a significant population of Mi'kmaq and other Indian groups.

    50. Republic of West Dominica (DO)
      The French-speaking part of Dominica has had very close links with Louisiana since colonial days. It famously cast off White rule in a successful slave rebellion, but post-revolutionary France managed to keep it from severing all ties with the colonizing country. This free Black republic's membership in the ASB greatly affected racial dynamics during the 19th and 20th centuries.

    51. State of West Florida (FO)
      A hotly disputed region in the past, the state's history has connections to France, Spain, and England. Today it is almost perfectly trilingual.
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  9. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    I've just been introduced to this thread by a friend of mine and now I'm a fan. :) I love how each state and province in the confederation is culturally unique.
  10. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    Thank you very much! That inspired me to create blurbs for the states that didn't yet have any. Now there is at least something on every state if you follow the links. I'm not ready to post it all here, though. In the case of Cuba, it's because I'm still working on harmonizing some *very* old content by @Upvoteanthology with all the history that's emerged since she wrote it. It's in a really unfinished state. For Chicasaw, Choctaw, and Dakota, I'm OK if their histories stay not very detailed for now... but I'm reluctant to post about them in the Maps and Graphics forum when they still lack any maps or graphics. Once that gets done, it will be the end of an era for the project. It's exciting.
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  11. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Is there a map for Muscoguia?
  12. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    No, that whole area is one of the least mapped, mostly because it's so different from OTL. Mapping it is going to require a lot of in-depth research on local history and Native languages. The most I've done is this very WIP road map based on the basemap from @Gian , and even that has a lot of names missing. So I guess there's only one mapped town in Muscoguia, the capital Toquebache.

  13. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    I'm fine with that. It still looks good. :)
  14. Tsochar Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2010
    A long time ago somebody asked about state foods; I always wanted to do a writeup on them but was inspired last night. Here are the first 25:

    State Dishes:
    Cuisine in the ASB is as varied as the states that make it up. Every state has its own unique culinary tradition, and a number of dishes that were invented in the state, sometimes available nowhere else. Some states have passed legislation naming a certain dish to be the "state food," which usually has no real legal consequence.

    Allegheny - A mixture of Iroquois, Pennamite, French, and mountain traditions give Allegheny a unique, yet familiar flavor. The "three sisters," maize, beans, and squash, while present, is not as ubiquitous as it is in Iroquoia, and they prepare local game such as venison and rabbit more than almost any other state. Their state dish is the "Venison roll," a sweet and savory pastry filled with ground venison and sometimes a vegetable such as squash. Common variants use canned meats, less sweet bread, or are fried.
    Arques - Connected as it is to Lower Louisiana, Arques shares many seafood preparations, most often adapted for freshwater dishes like catfish. As the center of rice production in the mainland ASB, Arques also has a unique variety of rice dishes. One such dish is sugar rice, which is a type of porridge eaten as a breakfast food. Arkques-style fried rice is often distinguished from its Chinese counterpart from its use of local spices and sauces.
    Assiniboia - As a metis nation, Assiniboia's cuisine is very similar to Metis cuisine elsewhere - buffalo and other game meats, along with local berries for flavor, suitable for a rustic lifestyle in the remote north. The official state dish is Pemmican, which is ground buffalo meat dried and pounded into a coarse powder, then mixed with rendered fat to yield a high-calorie paste. However, Pemmican is rarely eaten today, and many Assiniboians jokingly say their state dish is "Mayo au miel," a sauce made from honey, mayonnaise, and spices that can be put on many different foods.
    Bahamas - This island state, predictably, eats a lot of seafood; it is firmly Caribbean when it comes to most of its food, with ingredients such as coconut, cowpea, rice, plantains, fish, pork, goat, and okra. The classic dishes such as Ackee and Saltfish, macaroni pie, coconut black cake, and pelau are all eaten here. However, the Bahamas' claim to fame is its great variety of Conch dishes, often in the form of soups and stews. The other uniquely Bahamian dish is called Fire Engine, and consists of corned or steamed beef heavily seasoned with hot peppers over rice.
    Bermuda - Its unique geographic position far from both the mainland and the caribbean gives Bermuda a unique culinary heritage. Many traditional English and Virginian dishes are eaten there, but its claim to fame is seafood; its state dish is Fish Chowder, which is a tomato-based chowder made with local fish, peppers, and rum. "Fried Jellyfish" is sometimes jocularly called the state dish as well - the dish is wholly fictional, invented by a travel magazine writer who had never been to the island, but tourists coming to the island began ordering it. Some restaurants prepare dishes called "fried jellyfish," but they usually do not contain jellyfish at all.
    Canada - French Fries have an unknown hotly disputed origin, and its many names show this; different states and countries name them as being from France, Belgium, the Netherlands, New Netherlands Galicia, and, of course, Canada, hence the local name "Pommes de la terre a la Canadienne" or "Pommes Canadiennes" for short. The name of the dish is prescribed by legislation, and any restaurant in Canada serving the dish must call it some variant of that name. Since the dish has become so ubiquitous throughout the ASB, Canadiens have more recently taken to calling Poutine, a dish consisting of french fries topped with cheese curds and gravy, their real state dish.
    Carolina - Carolina's official state dish is simply cornbread, but the question of state dish has a history of controversy. In the slavery era, black slaves made their food from the parts and ingredients their white owners didn't want. As a result, their descendent groups eat different dishes. Complicating the matter are the fact that most of these dishes are extremely similar, but have different names, and the fact that the Piedmonters kept their own, separate cuisine. As a compromise, they named the official state dish cornbread, since it was one of the few dishes that had a consistent name and form among all three groups.
    Cayman Islands - Tied to Jamaica for much of its history, the Caymans shares several dishes with the larger island, such as Jerk chicken, and curry goat. It also shares many wider caribbean dishes such as Ackee and Saltfish, Johnny Cake, and Coconut Shrimp. The official state dish, however, is Turtle Stew, which is made with turtle meat, cassava, potatoes, onions, and peppers. A popular condiment is chili sauce, of which there are a variety to be used for either seasoning or as marinade before cooking.
    Cherokee - Cherokee cuisine draws from its own old history, that of its close neighbors, and from more modern European borrowings. The state dish is Kanuchi, a porridge-like delicacy made from hickory nuts and hominy, though modern recipes use rice instead of hominy. Other common dishes are bean bread, which is corn bread with beans folded into it, and grape dumplings. Many restaurants across the ASB serve grape dumplings as dessert, to the point that most don't realize it was a native invention.
    Chickasaw - Like Cherokee, Chicasaw draws from its own tradition, that of its neighbors, and from European dishes. Chickasaw also claims to have invented the grape dumpling, but their state dish is Pashofa, a soup-like dish made from hominy and meat, usually pork, served cold. Other dishes include pastries made from native plants, such as chestnut bread, acorn bread, and molasses bread, which is not an indigenous dish but has become a traditional dessert in the state.
    Choctaw - Banaha, sometimes called the Choctaw state dish, is a type of cornbread covered in gravy or other oil, sometimes baked with beans or peas inside. It is eaten widely among all native tribes in the region, often under different names. Other dishes include tamfula, which is a corn mush with berries added, and hunters' stew, which is made with beef, venison, and various vegetables, and is often reserved for holidays.
    Christiana - As the sole Commonwealth realm in the ASB, Christiana has its share of unique foods, drawing from both Scandinavian and Russian cuisine. Christiana has no official state dish, but its most well-known invention is probably the Skraddarbulle, or Tailor's Ball, which is a variant of the traditonal swedish meatball containing salted pork, fish, and a variety of spices. The Russian-Christianan community also eats variations of traditional Russian dishes such as beef stroganoff, which in the Christianan style has cheese in its sauce, and pelmeni, a meat dumpling which is in Christiana is usually fried and served with ketchup.
    Cuba - Cuba has a rich and unique cuisine all its own, with influences from Spanish, English, and African cuisine. Some of their famous dishes are black bean soup, fried plantains, and mixto, a pressed sandwich with pork, cheese, pickles, and mustard. The state dish, however, is Ropa Vieja, which is made from shredded beef cooked in a tomato-based sauce with bell peppers and other vegetables. Other hispanophone Caribbean states have their own variants of the dish, but the cuban recipe is often considered definitive one.
    Dakota - The Sioux have their own unique culinary history, relying heavily on buffalo and other game. As such, the Dakota state dish is Wohanpi, a stew made of buffalo meat, potatoes, and carrots. Natives who migrated from the Mexican deserts also brought their own culinary traditions, often making use of pork and chili peppers, and it's not uncommon to find regional variants of Wohanpi that incorporate these ingredients.
    East Acadia - Although seafood features heavily in the East Acadian diet, and the state has abundant shellfish such as lobster, scallops, and oysters, the official state dish is Poutine Rapee, a boiled potato dumpling filled with pork. The dish is usually reserved for special occasions since it takes several hours to prepare. It is often served with maple syrup or blueberry preserves.
    East Dominica - East Dominica has much in common with other cuisines in Hispanophone states. However, the dish that it unofficially claims for its own is called "Tres Golpes," or "three hits." It refers to the three staples of cheese, salami, and eggs served over boiled plantain mush. The dish is traditionally eaten by field workers for their lunches. Afro-Dominicans usually call the dish "Mangu," a word borrowed from West African languages to describe a similar dish. However, the cheese, salami, and eggs are a local addition.
    East Florida - The states' long connection with Spain and Cuba have given it a culinary culture that is in some ways typically Spanish, but the variety of tropical fruits grown in the state often add sweetness to replace the spiciness of its Caribbean counterparts. It also has influences from its continental neighbors, for example in its Shrimp and Grits dish. Its official dish, however, is called Sopa Menorquina, a tomato-based clam chowder with lime juice and a Caribbean-style assortment of spices. Its name comes from the Minorcan sailors who are said to have invented it in the late 18th century. Sopa Menorquina, despite its official status, is not widely prepared outside the capital of San Agustin.
    Huronia - Huronia's cuisine is very similar to that of Canada and the other Francophone states, but with more native influences thanks to the Metis living there. Huronians usually call their food "simpler" than Canadian dishes, relying on fewer imported or expensive ingredients. This is evident in their unofficial state dish, Lard au Mais, which is a cut of thinly-sliced, brine-cured pork loin covered in corn meal and often eaten on a bun.
    Illinois - Illinois cuisine has influences from both native and french traditions, and it in the ASB. The state is a major center of agriculture for the whole country, especially when it comes to growing corn and pumpkins. Local folklore holds that the natives in this state were the first to discover popcorn, so that is sometimes named as the state dish, but other dishes such as pumpkin bread and kitchiwey, a stew made from beef, vegetables, and pumpkin flesh.
    Iroquoia - Iroquois cuisine has had a lasting impact on cuisines throughout the ASB, and many of its dishes have been adopted by other peoples, such as green bean soup, berry bread, and whitecorn pudding. Iroquois claim to have popularized the "three sisters," beans, squash, and maize, and these ingredients make up a good part of Iroquois cuisine. Iroquois grow a special cultivar of white corn that is legally protected such that it cannot be grown commercially elsewhere in the ASB. The state dish is succotash, a simple bean and corn dish which the Iroquois claim to have invented, although this is disputed by the Narragansett.
    Labrador - Labrador, as the ASB's sole subarctic territory, features many foods that are not found elsewhere in the country, such as seal and whale meat. Because these ingredients are so rare outside Labrador, they are usually unknown to the ASB at large. The Metis, Inuit, and Innu communities, despite their low populations, maintain distinct culinary traditions. The Metis, descended from whalers and fishermen, tend toward local seafood prepared in a European style, such as seal flipper pie. The Inuit, similarly coastal, use similar ingredients but different techniques; some of there dishes are Aglunak, which is fermented fish, and Akutak, which is an ice cream-like dessert made from berries with a base of rendered fat instead of milk or cream. The Innu, living away from the coasts, heavily use caribou in their dishes; one unique dish they have is called Uimashkatai, which is a soup made from the abdominal lining of Caribou, considered a delicacy.
    Lower Connecticut - New England has a rich and celebrated tradition of seafood dishes, such as lobster, oysters, various fish, and clams, and Lower Connecticut is no exception. The unofficial state dish is clam pie, a savory pie made from clams, often with a crispy crust. Lower Connecticut also has influences from neighboring New Netherland, such as the dish hodgepodge, which refers to a potato-and-vegetable mash in Lower Connecticut but a stew in the rest of New England.
    Lower Louisiana - Lower Louisiana is famous for its food, and calls itself the gastronomic heart of the country. Etouffee, jambalaya, red beans and rice, and mediatrice, are all dishes that originally come form, or were popularized by, Lower Louisiana. There is no official state dish (rather, the culinary tradition as a whole is officially recognized as a Lower Louisianan cultural treasure), but if you ask anyone in the state they will say it is gombo, a thick soup made with shellfish, tomatoes, vegetables, and roux, with heavy seasonings added. Gombo is wildly popular in the state and central to many of its traditions.
    Lower Virginia - In many ways, Lower Virginia has many features typical of English states. Being on the shellfish-rich Chesapeake Bay, Lower Virginians are proud of their seafood, but the official state dish is actually Brunswick Stew, a tomato-based chicken stew that includes corn, beans, and potatoes. The stew is also popular in Carolina, which also claims to have invented the dish. Some Lower Virginians consider Virginian Ham, a ham smoked and dry-cured in salt, sugar, and spices, to be an alternate state dish, although Carolina also claims this dish, albeit without smoking or sugar. The Accomacs, living on the eastern shore of the state, claim oysters as their "county dish," as oysters are more plentiful there than almost anywhere else in the ASB.
    Maryland - Marylanders typically consider themselves to be very close to Virginians, both culturally and geographically, and their cuisines are no exception. One can find the same regional dishes in Virginia as in Maryland with very few exceptions. Maryland officially names Blue Crab as its state food, though the specific dish is not specified. Blue crab is often steamed or made into crab cakes, mixed into a creamy dip, or cooked into soup or bisque; Marylanders are proud of both the quality and the variety of their crab dishes. There are other seafood specialties in the state, such as conch fritters and fried shrimp, and non-seafood dishes such as pit beef, which is roast beef grilled at high temperature so as to be rare with a crispy outside.
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  15. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Dammit, all this is making me feel so hungry... :p
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  16. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    Seriously @Tsochar , this is like too good. It really blows my mind that you have such a working knowledge of every state. Can't wait for the rest of them... or is that being presumptuous? Either way I love this delicious post so much.
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  17. Tsochar Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2010
    I literally googled everything in there, usually some variant of "[state] unique food" or "only [state] people understand" which led me to about a dozen buzzfeed ripoff slideshows that gave me dish names I could then look up on wikipedia.
    The hard part was finding Native American dishes beyond websites for kids that only describe the three sisters.

    By the way, I might have asked this, but is there canonical information on immigrant associations in the ASB? Like how New York is associated with Italians, Chicago with Polish, San Francisco with Chinese, Miami with Cubans, etc.?
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  18. terranova210486 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2014
    What was Emily Dickinson like ITTL?

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  19. False Dmitri Я хочу пельменей

    Nov 19, 2008
    The Greatest Lakes
    I really liked the thing with Illinois and the pumpkins... the state produces not just more, but a whole lot more pumpkins than any other in OTL, but (like almost every other positive aspect of Illinois culture) that fact isn't widely known here.

    I don't think so. At least, I don't remember me or anyone else writing about that topic. Some initial thoughts:
    • During OTL's great age of European immigration around 1900, the ASB did not have quite the same economic profile as our United States. Opportunity was there, but its growth was not on the same incredible scale. I would look to the better-off South American countries in that era as a model for the scale and nature of immigration to the ASB, varying of course by state and region.
    • New Amsterdam is every bit as global and cosmopolitan as NYC is in our world, so it has people from everywhere. I have mentioned that the state has a population of people from the Caribbean, and this is even more true of the city. (Keeping in mind that much of the Caribbean would be internal migration rather than foreign immigration.)
    • Speaking of internal migration, I have said that more people have moved from Seminol to Cuba than the other way around. TTL's equivalent of the Great Migration may include poor indigenous people in addition to Black freedmen and their descendants. (Edit: I should add poor White migration, since TTL's White people maintained distinct ethnic identities even when they moved across the country.)
    • Philadelphia would be the biggest hub for people from the Russian Imperial countries, so principally Poland, Russia, Romania, Serbia, and Korea. Historically at least, these people would have found Christiana easier to move to than other states; and with the city of Christiana being essentially a Philly suburb, Philly would end up as the city with the largest number of immigrants from these places.
    • Similarly, the cities of southern New England have tended to attract immigrants from other English imperial possessions. A problem of course is that those possessions have not been defined. As in Christiana, many of these immigrants eventually ended up in the nearest big cities, New Amsterdam and Boston.
    • The very different Mexican border means that many cities have a much stronger Mexican presence than in OTL. Saint Louis and New Orleans are the clearest cases, along with Champ-d'Espoir in the Arques. Mexican food and culture are prominent in all three cities.
    • I don't know what to say initially about interior cities like Chicago, Detroit and Toronto. They certainly have prominent immigrant communities; for Chicago I've mentioned that without naming where they came from. It's almost a random thing which groups decide to settle in which cities, so maybe the thing to do is just decide something.
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  20. jennysnooper87 Proud Albish Citizen Since 2017

    Nov 27, 2016
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    What's pop culture like in the ASB? Are there analogues to well-known TV shows, sitcoms, movies, and games there as well?
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