The base is the 8K-BAM AFAIK
All right, thanks. Just wanted to know.
The base is the 8K-BAM AFAIK
Thanks. I'm actually using all of that as a reference.
Also, as I was reading about the Carolina-Lower Virginia border, I noticed you set the border at the Neuse River, when much of the Albemarle Settlements (which were both populated by Virginians and were occupied by Virginia in this world) were mostly north of the Roanoke River (see map here
Is there a bit of justification for setting the border that far south (maybe Virginia's governor wanted to put a buffer zone between the settlements and Carolina) or maybe I should set the border at the Roanoke River instead.
EDIT: Here's the map showing the Roanoke and Neuse Rivers, with the approximate area of the Albemarle Settlements in that red circle (right around where Bertie County is) -
Thanks for the map, that's a good visual. Now I'll say that on the one hand, yes, the border is there for a reason. But on the other hand, I haven't personally put a ton of thought into that reason, so let's get to it.
The Albemarle settlements were the original justification when Virginia occupied that land. It was the 1690s and the colonies were in a rather chaotic state. The colonists there were more Virginian than Carolian, and especially during a time of war, they actually preferred the security of Virginian government to the uncertain, weak rule they were getting from Charleston. The two colonies wrangled legally over Albemarle for a good seventy years. Virginia remained in possession - not sure why, but I can certainly imagine the desires of the inhabitants being taken into account as reps of the two sides argued before various privy councilors. By then, the disputed area had expanded in size because the Albemarle settlers had multiplied somewhat.
So in the 1770s, they went to war with each other. Officially it was Virginia's war for independence, but on the ground it was basically indistinguishable from a civil war. There was fighting all along the border. It ended with an armistace rather than a treaty, so the century-old border issue was still unresolved. The next round of fighting broke out in 1802 and again saw England (with loyalist Carolina) on the opposite side of Virginia. But this time they did come to a final agreement, spurred on by antiwar allies on both sides in New England. Virginia had the upper hand in the fighting and had occupied a good deal of Carolian territory, though most of the territory in question was inhabited by people with Virginian ties.
I guess the question hinges on the military history of 1802-1808, and the diplomacy that followed. Would Virginia have to conceded more land than that in order to secure peace? Is this land grab unrealistic for that era? But that's the key era, rather than the original settlements of the 17th century.\
I have actually mapped this border. I can't remember what I've shared publicly and what I haven't, so here's what I have.
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Also @False Dmitri, are there any other subdivisions for the states that I should add, and maybe you can go create maps for them? (not going to try and do New England's towns though, since they'd be too small to depict properly)
Well, managed to complete the hi-res map of the ASB:
BTW @False Dmitri, I think one of my main goals would be to replace much of the Q-BAMs with this better model (as well as provide a one-stop to view all of its subdivisions).
The first would be to start work on the Catholic dioceses map which would be easy to do, as well as the ethnic maps (one general, the other more focused on the Anglo-Celtic stocks)
Absolutely! A good general map is a springboard to a lot of additional discoveries, as I've seen many times. Can I make one minor correction and two questions?
The northern border of the Upper Country extends beyond the main watershed boundary. Initially, I believe, this came from an error in the QBAM historical maps, but I decided to go with it when I made the more detailed Upper Country map. The reasons have to do with the general areas of Ojibwe versus Cree settlement, with more Ojibwe areas being Upper Country and more Cree areas being Rupertsland. And it also involved the general desire for a buffer zone up above Lake Superior. But I admit that may be unrealistic, and I may be grasping at straws to justify a border that, when I'm being honest, I prefer for aesthetic reasons. I'm open to arguments for the watershed border.
As for my two questions, the Carolina-Muscoguia and Ohio-Illinois borders look wonky to me. That may just be because I'm not used to seeing them at this projection. But in particular, I had thought that the Carolina-Muscoguia border started further west, starting at the same point as the internal provincial border inside East Florida. They make a "Four Corners" point on my East Florida map. Now that may well be inconsistent with what the QBAM indicates, and I can accept that.
That's a good argument, but I think it would be a tad unrealistic since
a) the aforementioned geographic concerns (the Hudson Bay vs. Great Lakes watershed)
b) the region is sparsely populated in our world (and will still be in this one)
c) Even when considering the Indian population there, the watershed border still works as a serviceable boundary between Cree north and Anishinaabe south
That may be because I had to adapt the Q-BAM map (more precisely this..) into the 8K-BAM map (which does show the county borders. The hardest for me was indeed that border, as well as the Cherokia/Muscogia border.
Anyways, here's the first part of the "ASB 8K-BAM" map series, focusing on monarchies and their relevant houses
(FYI: The Russo-Swedish-Polish Commonwealth" is my fancy term for the PIC)
Romanov is certainly incorrect. The name "Pseudodemetrian" is obviously a joke, but a while back I became convinced to just go for it and say that the ruling dynasty at a certain point acknowledged that they were not true Rurikids and openly used the name. That being said, there were also points in history when the imperial crown passed matrilineally, so the house name is something else. On my to-do list is working out just wat were the dynastic gymnastics that allowed the family to amass those territories. They include Zweibrücken, so it may be that the Wittelsbachs ended up inheriting the throne, albeit later than they did in OTL. And even that doesn't guarantee that there wasn't another matrilineal succession further down the line. The family was entering into royal marriages from Germany to Hawaii, and any of the offspring thus created had a chance to inherit. I would suggest House of Wittelsbach-Rurik as a placeholder, knowing it could change as more history comes to light.
Wittlesbach-Rurik sounds nice as a placeholder (at least until we can come up with a better one)
Also, here's another piece (WIP) of that general ethnic map I've been teasing you about:
(NOTE: Chesapian is my generic neutral term for both Virginians and Marylanders; taken from the Chesapeake Bay and completely unrelated to the tribe of the same name that gave their name to said bay)
Chesapian is the very term I've been looking for - thank you!
And oof - I've attempted similar ethnic maps over the years and always given up. But there's a lot more known information out there now than when I last tried it. It's looking great so far!
Nice one for Illinois.
Mind if we see potential subdivisions?
This is going well.So here's the latest update (also I'd imagine that there might be a Great Migration-equivalent somewhere down the line, so jsyk about those Afro-English splotches in the major cities)
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So here's the latest update (also I'd imagine that there might be a Great Migration-equivalent somewhere down the line, so jsyk about those Afro-English splotches in the major cities)