I am willing to add to a world map for TTL. I have some ideas for Africa and Oceania if anyone is interested.
I'm trying to work on it too! I'd like everyone's input about what the rest of the world would look like.I am willing to add to a world map for TTL. I have some ideas for Africa and Oceania if anyone is interested.
I wholly agree, I sent him a PM about working on the Worlda and organization of the rest of the world. Of course all additions would be subject to approval by ASB's Great ArchitectI mean, this is False Dmitri's world, so I feel like we should run things by him first. However, I did make a map of a state I had an idea for in Africa. I never made a writeup for it or posted it here, but maybe with a few improvements it could get used. I'll remake the original map and post it here, I guess. Again, it's probably not something that could be implemented into the world.
So Venusian, as long as Cuzcatlan can harmonize with what else is known about the Americas, of course! Now I had not assumed that there was anything left unconquered in Spanish America, beyond the outlying regions that were uncolonized in OTL. But an indigenous aristocracy that persisted into modern times is definitely plausible and fits well within the spirit of this world. There still is a Duke of Montezuma, after all.
On that note, has your general plan for TTL's Mexico ever been posted?
So to Falkanner and Venusian: I was going to say just what Venusian said, that since the ASB is generally less developed in terms of GDP, there's a good chance that its population has risen *faster* in recent years. On the other hand, the insane growth of the 19th century did not happen either, so the overall population count might come out basically even. To explain that further, there are several factors behind that slower development. Expansion and the confiscation of Indian lands produced rapid growth, both economic and demographic, and that was obviously tempered in TTL. That in turn affected the culture; the acquisitiveness that so defined US culture was somewhat less strong; entrepreneurship was not placed on quite so high a pedestal. Finally there are the indigenous states, which I'm sure have had throughout their history greater poverty than their OTL counterparts.
What's different would be the distribution. The slower growth of the 19th century meant that in areas of established settlement, populations were actually denser than they were in OTL. In areas of new settlement, the big family farms that were universal in OTL did not happen everywhere. In many places, village-based agriculture was the norm, with the people living together in a central space and lots more commonly owned land than we had in OTL. All of this has led me to assume that the main urban agglomerations are smaller, the outlying cities bigger, and rural settlement denser in the ASB compared to the United States. On the other hand, urbanization is pretty universal around the world, so most of the big cities probably have some suburban sprawl around them.
Alright, here's the quick redo of my original idea. Basically, it's the African version of the ASB, European colonies on the coasts allied with native African states to create a really pretty powerful developed country. The old map rests with my old, broken computer, so have the new one only :I wholly agree, I sent him a PM about working on the Worlda and organization of the rest of the world. Of course all additions would be subject to approval by ASB's Great Architect
That looks great! I like non-straight borders in Africa, even when they don't necessarily have any meaning either. Really adds to the idea that colonialism was vastly more humane. I don't know about the rest of y'all or False, but I really like having post-colonial (con)federations being dominant and wide-spread models of states. Cultures both native and not existing in if not perfect harmony, than at least not active conflict. Using their resources to enrich themselves and their neighbors willingly. Not to say that true settler states or ransacked colonizer-constructed indigenous states won't or shouldn't exist in the ASB's Earth, just that they would seemingly be less likely to exist in the multitude they do today.Alright, here's the quick redo of my original idea.
So, in general the premise for TTL is that colonists that are less hostile towards natives?
Now if experience has taught me anything, it's that as things like this get bigger we will have to figure out ways to solve things like drama and territoriality and randos driving by with ideas that nobody likes.
Drama? In a collaborative timeline? That would never happen!
This is still your world, and I'm sure none of us really want to impede on that. I think, though, if you do want to make it into a collaborative timeline, which you do not have to do, maybe there should be a separate little wikia, like Ill Bethisad has? Or at least a small website people can edit, like on Google Sites or something (that way you can still invite people in?). Also, I'm really sorry if I set things off with my map, I don't want to turn this into something you're not comfortable with. But yeah, if you're planning to expand, something offsite (and off a website that nobody is really going to see the project on) would be really nice.So this is starting to take on features of a team project. That's completely fine. If after six years I still haven't personally come up with any ideas for Africa, who am I to say that someone else's ideas are no good?
If this thing is going to grow, we'll probably have to adjust how it operates. The storehouse of info on the ASB itself is currently my own Weebly. This includes stuff that comes from Turquoise Blue and others. But there's already a lot of content that is not there, namely the California stuff from Upvote and Doctor President. And now we are starting to explore Africa and Oceania and Latin America as well, and it's going to quickly become way more than what I can or should put on a personal site. So I think we ought to dust off the Wiki page that TB started way back in the day.
In the next day or two I'll add a list of contributors to that wiki page. That will be an important step toward making this into more of a group effort.
As for decision making, I started this thing and obviously have the most stake in it, but I also recognize that it's getting bigger than just me. So far I've been kind of the sole gatekeeper for new content, and some people have felt the need to PM me before posting anything... I think we're past that stage now. Feel free to post things here, and we all can discuss how well they fit into the world. Consensus seems to be working. Now if experience has taught me anything, it's that as things like this get bigger we will have to figure out ways to solve things like drama and territoriality and randos driving by with ideas that nobody likes. Maybe that's in our future, maybe not ... for now I think consensus should work fine.
Does this sound good? Is there anything I'm not thinking of? Does the world itself need a catchier name?
Somewhat. But the colonists were also forced to be less hostile by demographics. For reasons not yet totally explained, the English settler population was much lower throughou the 16 and 1700s, while the Dutch and French settler populations were higher. This created a balance of power where the colonists needed the Indians more than they did in OTL.
This is still your world, and I'm sure none of us really want to impede on that. I think, though, if you do want to make it into a collaborative timeline, which you do not have to do, maybe there should be a separate little wikia, like Ill Bethisad has? Or at least a small website people can edit, like on Google Sites or something (that way you can still invite people in?). Also, I'm really sorry if I set things off with my map, I don't want to turn this into something you're not comfortable with. But yeah, if you're planning to expand, something offsite (and off a website that nobody is really going to see the project on) would be really nice.
That's fair.Since everyone involved is here, I think that this thread makes the most sense for discussion, and the AH.com wiki for storing and archiving. I've been involved in other groups that tried to migrate from the boards to an off-site wiki; all died almost instantly after the move.
While the ASB's Earth might indeed be dominated by both tight and loose confederations, they're likely not the only kind of states around. Perhaps the cultures and societies that didn't have much European meddling/colonisation/settlement would be more centralized. Europe itself (at least in it's present form in @False Dmitri 's mind ) is not a big confederation, but distinct central and or confederal states.Quick question. We already have the ASB, California, the PIC, and West Africa. Is the whole world going to be dominated by these confederations, or are there going to be more centralized countries, and if so, where will they be?
While the ASB's Earth might indeed be dominated by both tight and loose confederations, they're likely not the only kind of states around. Perhaps the cultures and societies that didn't have much European meddling/colonisation/settlement would be more centralized. Europe itself (at least in it's present form in @False Dmitri 's mind ) is not a big confederation, but distinct central and or confederal states.
Rough draft of the North East of Africa. I need help with province names for the Abyssian Confederation and the unnamed Pink one.