Lumsden
Banned
Action Francaise comes to power in France in 1934 and restores the King. I can get that far by various means, but I'm just thinking through the consequences.
It is very important to note that the Action Francaise is not 'Herr Hitler, but speaking French'. Nor is it Fascist, the closest real world analogy we have is Spain under Franco - a National Catholic state.
Firstly, many of Hitler's gambles - the occupation of the Rhineland, Czechoslovakia, Austria - are far less likely to succeed with M. Maurras (or someone else - Maurice Pujo? Petain?) in Paris. In fact, as Dolfuss' Austria and the AF are very close in terms of philosophy, and with Mussolini's support, I can say that the Anschluss will not happen with some confidence.
Furthermore, it will not join the Axis. The songs of the AF talk of 'les juifs et les allemands' and 'les ennemis teutons'. An alliance with Germany is nil.
It's overwhelmingly likely, in the event of a WW2 anything like the one we know that AF France will remain neutral, as Franco's Spain did.
The effect on Poland will be interesting. . I imagine it will be the French and not the Germans who provide much aid to Spain in the Civil War.
Of course, the odds of WW2 as we know it happening at all are very low. We have Hitler in Berlin, but Dolfuss in Vienna has a very strong ally with whom I suspect Mussolini, Salazar and (when he comes to power - in order to get the AF into power I moved the Asturian miners strike back to 1933 by having Gil-Robles made PM of Spain and a civil war breaking out with a bigger revolt, hence the Pope lifting the condemnation of AF) *Franco in Spain will ally with.
Poland was an ally of France and I don't think its impossible that Miedzymorze will get an airing (esp. with Catholic and right-wing Hungary, an ally of Italy's. probably with the Czechs and if the Vilnius dispute can be settled with Smetona in Lithuania).
Things are looking very bad for Herr Hitler. Will Nazism just collapse? Or will he try something - he'll lose any way he looks at it.
Well well, I am going on, I shall try to boil it down:
AF France (France from herein) has natural allies in Poland, Portugal and, after the ATL Civil War, the National Catholic state that will emerge in Spain. Ditto Austria. It is extremely likely Mussolini will seek his allies there. That brings Hungary 'in'.
Hitler is hemmed in and I imagine that's the end of him - if he tries to move on the Rhineland, he will be thumped. Perhaps the army might get rid of him - a conservative military rule.
If there is going to be a world war, I imagine Stalin will be behind it. How I don't know - the danger in the east is one of the reasons I imagine Poland will push very hard for Miedzymorze. I wonder if there will be.
In the East, Japan will invade China. Whether America will be dragged in somehow I don't know.
Discuss! Am I on the right lines? Europe sans Nazism, generally right-wing, Nationalist, staunchly Catholic. Church and state will have a close, mutually beneficial relationship across Europe. There won't be anything like the camps of Poland in WW2. Europe's Jews will probably be deported or encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. As a complete aside, there practically certainly won't be a Vatican II.
Any comments or suggestions?
Patrick Gray
It is very important to note that the Action Francaise is not 'Herr Hitler, but speaking French'. Nor is it Fascist, the closest real world analogy we have is Spain under Franco - a National Catholic state.
Firstly, many of Hitler's gambles - the occupation of the Rhineland, Czechoslovakia, Austria - are far less likely to succeed with M. Maurras (or someone else - Maurice Pujo? Petain?) in Paris. In fact, as Dolfuss' Austria and the AF are very close in terms of philosophy, and with Mussolini's support, I can say that the Anschluss will not happen with some confidence.
Furthermore, it will not join the Axis. The songs of the AF talk of 'les juifs et les allemands' and 'les ennemis teutons'. An alliance with Germany is nil.
It's overwhelmingly likely, in the event of a WW2 anything like the one we know that AF France will remain neutral, as Franco's Spain did.
The effect on Poland will be interesting. . I imagine it will be the French and not the Germans who provide much aid to Spain in the Civil War.
Of course, the odds of WW2 as we know it happening at all are very low. We have Hitler in Berlin, but Dolfuss in Vienna has a very strong ally with whom I suspect Mussolini, Salazar and (when he comes to power - in order to get the AF into power I moved the Asturian miners strike back to 1933 by having Gil-Robles made PM of Spain and a civil war breaking out with a bigger revolt, hence the Pope lifting the condemnation of AF) *Franco in Spain will ally with.
Poland was an ally of France and I don't think its impossible that Miedzymorze will get an airing (esp. with Catholic and right-wing Hungary, an ally of Italy's. probably with the Czechs and if the Vilnius dispute can be settled with Smetona in Lithuania).
Things are looking very bad for Herr Hitler. Will Nazism just collapse? Or will he try something - he'll lose any way he looks at it.
Well well, I am going on, I shall try to boil it down:
AF France (France from herein) has natural allies in Poland, Portugal and, after the ATL Civil War, the National Catholic state that will emerge in Spain. Ditto Austria. It is extremely likely Mussolini will seek his allies there. That brings Hungary 'in'.
Hitler is hemmed in and I imagine that's the end of him - if he tries to move on the Rhineland, he will be thumped. Perhaps the army might get rid of him - a conservative military rule.
If there is going to be a world war, I imagine Stalin will be behind it. How I don't know - the danger in the east is one of the reasons I imagine Poland will push very hard for Miedzymorze. I wonder if there will be.
In the East, Japan will invade China. Whether America will be dragged in somehow I don't know.
Discuss! Am I on the right lines? Europe sans Nazism, generally right-wing, Nationalist, staunchly Catholic. Church and state will have a close, mutually beneficial relationship across Europe. There won't be anything like the camps of Poland in WW2. Europe's Jews will probably be deported or encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. As a complete aside, there practically certainly won't be a Vatican II.
Any comments or suggestions?
Patrick Gray
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