Adolf Hitler not antisemetic

Okay, everyone's made good points. I figured I might as well condense my ideas down into a single post:

1. Hitler is less insane, but just as charismatic/manipulative as ever. (I dunno, maybe he didn't get stabbed in the groin during Somme, perhaps he was never sprayed with poison gas...you decide :p)
2. Hitler and the Nazi's are still Racist/Anti-Semitic, but not to insane, genocidal levels. They treat Jews and Slavs in the way South Africa treated blacks during Apartheid, or the way Imperial Japan treated Koreans.
3. "Honorary Aryan" status is granted to Jews who denounce the "Jewish Conspiracy" and stop practicing Judaism. But only the most "aryan" of these "Honorary Aryans" are allowed to join the Nazi Party. Jewish schools are closed, and Jewish Children are sent to special schools to "Germanize" them.
4. Romas, Homosexuals, Disabled, Etc. are still persecuted in much the same way, since they're considered small enough groups to be dealt with.
5. When Nazi Germany invades the east, they collaborate with whites (eg. Anti-Communists/Anti-Stalinists). Puppet states like Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are set up.
6. These are treated the same way the Japanese treated Manchuko. The slavs are an underclass, but they're simply too many of them to exterminate. Best put them to work and set up an apartheid style system. Some of them will be earmarked for "Germanization" and will be considered equal to the German Settlers. Laws for Jews similar to those in Poland (see below) will be enacted for Jews in "Mitteleuropa."
7. In Poland, apply the same laws you did back in the Reich to the Jews there. Of course, they wont be granted Honorary Aryan status like the Jews in Germany/Western Europe; they'll be raised to Pole status. (The Poles, like the rest of the slavs, are an underclass) Some Poles and Polish jews will be fit for Germanization and will once again be considered equal to the German settlers.
8. Allow puppets and allies like Croatia, Vichy, Italy, Spain (If they join the Axis) to deal with Jews however they see fit. They can enact similar laws to those of Germany, including Honorary Croatian/French/Italian/Spanish, etc. If any of these governments decide to exterminate their populations, Nazi Germany will offer "Honorary Aryan" status to those who offer to Abide by Germany's laws about Jews and Judaism and help settle the east.
9. Within 20 to 50 years, the Jewish culture will have been all but suppressed in Europe (look at how Franco almost killed off the Basque and Catalan languages in 40 years!), and most people with "Jewish" ancestry are less than 1/3rd Jewish. Since 1/3rd is the minimum amount of "Jewish Blood" needed to be considered a Jew, the are virtually no Jews left in Europe. Europe is now Judenfrei (albeit under a different definition than OTL).

While not lovey-dovey democracy, its nowhere near as bad as OTL. To get this sort of thinking on Hitler and the Nazi Party's part would require many changes, perhaps one of the founders of the Nazi Party (or even a close friend of Hitler, ala. Rohm) is a Jew who denounced Judaism and is a rabid German Nationalist. I remember reading somewhere that there was some self-hating Jew (I can't remember his name, however) who denounced Judaism and wrote a bunch of books about the "Jewish Conspiracy." Apparently he died 1938-ish and Himmler said something like "If only all Jews were like this" when he read his works. Get someone like him to be a close friend of Hitler's or an influential member of the Nazi party, and the scenario above might not be so farfetched.
 
To be frank hfegelein, your 'suggestions' are rather offensive the way they are phrased. It is not an 'academic exercise' to discuss 'self-hating Jews', describe totalitarianism as 'not lovey-dovey democracy', or consider methods of 'a Jewish apartheid'.

Hitler’s anti-semitism and rise to power was built on demagoguery and hate speeches and this was integral to his rise to power during the 1920s and 1930s. Wanting 'nazi-wank' while at the same time trying to 'justify' or play down the rhetoric that was used by him during these times, is somewhat disgraceful in my opinion and warrants you to go away and read up on your history to understand why the Nazis rose to power like they did.

I say this as a warning, because this is a touchy subject for many, and the way you are going about it may be likely to offend and flame.
 
To be frank hfegelein, your 'suggestions' are rather offensive the way they are phrased. It is not an 'academic exercise' to discuss 'self-hating Jews', describe totalitarianism as 'not lovey-dovey democracy', or consider methods of 'a Jewish apartheid'.

Hitler’s anti-semitism and rise to power was built on demagoguery and hate speeches and this was integral to his rise to power during the 1920s and 1930s. Wanting 'nazi-wank' while at the same time trying to 'justify' or play down the rhetoric that was used by him during these times, is somewhat disgraceful in my opinion and warrants you to go away and read up on your history to understand why the Nazis rose to power like they did.

I say this as a warning, because this is a touchy subject for many, and the way you are going about it may be likely to offend and flame.

I'm glad someone else said that. These types of threads keep popping up and they all have the same objective. Have Hitler and the Nazis win.

The OP "stuka" seems to have been quiet too.

So what happens is they ask "What if Hitler was less anti Semitic?" "What if Hitler hates another group instead of Jews etc"

If Hitler didn't hate Jews then Einstein would build him an Atom Bomb and blah, blah.

To be honest they are not only offensive but boring.
 
I don't really get offended by them, but I can definitely see where one would.

I too get a creepy vibe from them, though. That's why I like to ask the uncomfortable questions in them.
 

Saggin

Banned
Hitler would have to have a nicer childhood, no beatings by a douchebag father contrasted with a religious mother. Also, when he wanders he doesnt spend time in the Vienna slums full of Jews ans Slavs as that was the origin of his anti-semitism apparently.
 
Hitler would have to have a nicer childhood, no beatings by a douchebag father contrasted with a religious mother. Also, when he wanders he doesnt spend time in the Vienna slums full of Jews ans Slavs as that was the origin of his anti-semitism apparently.
I am actually doing something in my spare time where Hitler's family emigrated to America when he was little and he doesn't turn int oa hate crazed Douche.

Funny part is, the Nazi Party forms inGermany without him and he winds up in opposition to it.
 
I'm glad someone else said that. These types of threads keep popping up and they all have the same objective. Have Hitler and the Nazis win.

Where as it could be so much more interesting, like Hitler and the Italian-backed Social Revolutionaries street fighting with a Strasser lead Nazi Party!

Remember, lots of the German press was Jewish owned and as a result the Nazis were almost under constant from big newspapers. When Germany reaches the point in the 30's when everybody's saying 'we need a dictator now', you could have sane Hitler being backed as a way of stopping a Strasserite Nazi mob from taking power.
 

Saggin

Banned
I am actually doing something in my spare time where Hitler's family emigrated to America when he was little and he doesn't turn int oa hate crazed Douche.

Funny part is, the Nazi Party forms inGermany without him and he winds up in opposition to it.

Yeah. Happiness :)

Remember, lots of the German press was Jewish owned and as a result the Nazis were almost under constant from big newspapers.

This ic a good case of propaganda always based in facts. i.e. the "jewish media who run the foreign news services".
 

Nebogipfel

Monthly Donor
I'm glad someone else said that. These types of threads keep popping up and they all have the same objective. Have Hitler and the Nazis win.

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To be honest they are not only offensive but boring.

Yep. As someone stated in a similar thread some time ago, why do people rarely do TL about a successful Weimar ? Somehow there seems to be an urge among certain suspects to see the Nazis-light winning. Also, certain (German) regulars obviously fascinated by this subject never show up in these discussions. I wonder why :rolleyes:
 
Yep. As someone stated in a similar thread some time ago, why do people rarely do TL about a successful Weimar ? Somehow there seems to be an urge among certain suspects to see the Nazis-light winning. Also, certain (German) regulars obviously fascinated by this subject never show up in these discussions. I wonder why :rolleyes:

Because the Germans only exist as real Germans when they're monstrous dicks in terms of AH potential, evidently. At least partially IMHO this is because German history has exploded only in that narrow twelve years as opposed to the broader chasm. It's even more interesting that people neglect the totalitarians that won WWII in favor of the idiots that lost it.
 
Yep. As someone stated in a similar thread some time ago, why do people rarely do TL about a successful Weimar ? Somehow there seems to be an urge among certain suspects to see the Nazis-light winning. Also, certain (German) regulars obviously fascinated by this subject never show up in these discussions. I wonder why :rolleyes:

It's always a red flag warning when you have usernames like "Stuka" and "hfegelein" which was also the name of Eva Braun's brother in law!
 

ccdsah

Donor
Because the Germans only exist as real Germans when they're monstrous dicks in terms of AH potential, evidently. At least partially IMHO this is because German history has exploded only in that narrow twelve years as opposed to the broader chasm. It's even more interesting that people neglect the totalitarians that won WWII in favor of the idiots that lost it.

What? I thought democracies won WW2?

Japan -beaten by US and UK
Italy beaten by US and UK
Germany beaten by USSR, US and UK
So democracies beat 2 Axis members and cripple the third, plus they have means to help USSR enslave half of Europe post WW2
 
What? I thought democracies won WW2?

Japan -beaten by US and UK
Italy beaten by US and UK
Germany beaten by USSR, US and UK
So democracies beat 2 Axis members and cripple the third, plus they have means to help USSR enslave half of Europe post WW2

Germany really was beaten primarily by the USSR with the US and UK being not as important to it (so many German resources where centered on fighting the losing battle with Russia that it tremendously eased the US's advance and Italy and Japan where really secondary powers in the conflict when compared to Germany. Also I second the people saying that this is just trying to find a way for "Nazi-Lite" to win the war which makes me very uncomfortable.
 
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ccdsah

Donor
Germany really was beaten primarily by the USSR with the US and UK being not as important to it (so many German resources where centered on fighting the losing battle with Russia that it tremendously eased the US's advance and Italy and Japan where really secondary powers in the conflict when compared to Germany. Also I second the people saying that this is just trying to find a way for "Nazi-Lite" to win the war which makes me very uncomfortable.
I sincerely think that a Nazi conquered Europe if it is well managed can at least stalemate Soviet Union alone
 
To be frank hfegelein, your 'suggestions' are rather offensive the way they are phrased. It is not an 'academic exercise' to discuss 'self-hating Jews', describe totalitarianism as 'not lovey-dovey democracy', or consider methods of 'a Jewish apartheid'.

Hitler’s anti-semitism and rise to power was built on demagoguery and hate speeches and this was integral to his rise to power during the 1920s and 1930s. Wanting 'nazi-wank' while at the same time trying to 'justify' or play down the rhetoric that was used by him during these times, is somewhat disgraceful in my opinion and warrants you to go away and read up on your history to understand why the Nazis rose to power like they did.

I say this as a warning, because this is a touchy subject for many, and the way you are going about it may be likely to offend and flame.

Oh dear. I completely understand where you are coming from. I am deeply sorry if I offended anyone; that was not my intent. I was merely attempting to try and explain my thoughts on the subject. I feel that the Nazi's couldn't have been non-Antisemitic, hence why I tried to go down the "they're less anti-semitic than OTL route." Unfortunately, I opened a can of worms, just as some other members predicted. Indeed, I was very crass in the way I described how an ahistorical Nazi party could've developed and once again, I am deeply sorry for any offense I have caused.

As for my username, I must assure you that I am NOT a Nazi sympathizer (I consider Nazism to be one of the most hypocritical, needlessly destructive and disgraceful ideologies to ever have existed; while I think Hitler was an ignorant, vengeful man who is worthy only of contempt for his archaic beliefs), I am merely a fan of the infamous "Downfall" meme. I have done much homework on what the Nazi's have done (including their use of Zyklon D on Russian POW's, their treatment of Jews, human experimentation, their anti-Homosexual agenda, their sterilization of Blacks, etc.), and am wholly glad of their defeat.

I am sorry for this incredibly long post, but I feel it is necessary to clarify my true standing on the issue of Nazism, racism, and Anti-Semitism. While I did not enjoy being accused of being a Nazi sympathizer, I can see why such accusations would be made. The way I described my views was beyond un-professional, and I should've stopped after my first post. Genmotty, SeargentHeratic, all I ask from you and my fellow Alt-History.com members is for forgiveness and respect. I also would like to suggest that this thread is closed and/or deleted at once.

To Nebogipfel: I've actually been playing as the Weimar Republic (Led by Eckener ala. The Airship President) in a modded copy of "Hearts of Iron 3!" :p
 
Because the Germans only exist as real Germans when they're monstrous dicks in terms of AH potential, evidently. At least partially IMHO this is because German history has exploded only in that narrow twelve years as opposed to the broader chasm. It's even more interesting that people neglect the totalitarians that won WWII in favor of the idiots that lost it.

Whenever some Neo-Nazi goes on a long winded speech about how great Hitler was, I immediately turn around and ask them "If he was so great, why did he lose? :p"
 
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