Adolf Hitler Killed in Action

Adolf Hitler is Killed in Action in the first WWI, NAZI Germany never rises to power but still develops a great industry and economy. Circa 1940:
-Stalin starts expansion of Communism through occupation of Eastern Europe and Asia and aims for Germany, United Kingdom and France declare war on USSR.
-Benito Mussolini starts his war of occupation of Balkan States, United Kingdom and France declare war on Italy.
-Japan starts its pacific occupation, and attacks pearl harbor, U.S.A. declares war on Japan, but remains neutral to wars in Europe.

Please note that there are no alliances between USSR, Italy or Japan.
 
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Germany would probably continue as the Wiemar Republic and gradually move beyond the aftershocks of WW1. It seems plausible that Stalin might want to expand into Eastern Europe. The only thing that I have issue with in all of this is why Mussolini would try to invade the Balkan States. I think he might have placed more focus on colonialism in Africa against Eithiopia, perhaps even joining an alliance against Stalin in an attempt to gain whatever spoils of war there might be from the aftermath of such a conflict.
 
The Nazi party existed before Hitler, and he didn't even come to lead it until after being released from prison and actually publishing Mein Kampf. Depending upon how party politics shake out, the ATL Fuhrer could have been anybody from Ernst Rhoem, Gregor Strasser, or Joseph Goebbles (at its left wing) to von Ludendorf, Goering, Himmler or Jullius Streicher, (at the right wing) or even Anton Drexler himself.
 
I don't know if the Empire of Japan would attack the European holdings in Asia if they didn't have the war in Europe to serve as a distraction. A war between the Anglo-French Alliance and Italy just isn't enough to give Japan the chance it needs. I assume Japan is still up to its armpits in China? If so, I guess it depends on whether or not the oil embargo goes into effect.
 
The Nazi party existed before Hitler, and he didn't even come to lead it until after being released from prison and actually publishing Mein Kampf. Depending upon how party politics shake out, the ATL Fuhrer could have been anybody from Ernst Rhoem, Gregor Strasser, or Joseph Goebbles (at its left wing) to von Ludendorf, Goering, Himmler or Jullius Streicher, (at the right wing) or even Anton Drexler himself.

I think Goering would probably be it. He just looks like he should have been the dictator. Hitler always seemed to me like an obscure character that took over a story and downgraded the former main characters. It would have been interesting to see Mussolini vs Goering. Either way, how did Goering and Mussolini get along?
 
Except that without Hitler, the Nazis are probably going to fall apart, never becoming anything more than a fringe movement. While the Weimar Republic is probably going to shift to the right, it's more likely to be conservative--or even monarchist--in nature, instead of fascist--and if it does go fascist, it won't be the Nazi's rather strange brand of it.
 
I think Goering would probably be it. He just looks like he should have been the dictator. Hitler always seemed to me like an obscure character that took over a story and downgraded the former main characters. It would have been interesting to see Mussolini vs Goering. Either way, how did Goering and Mussolini get along?

That is a fair question and an interesting point more broadly. I don't know how Mussolini and Goering did get along or would, but I suspect that Goering is more likely to eye Italian territory than Hitler was. Of course, once Italy fell, Hitler did gobble up some pieces of the wreckage, however temporarily.
 
Except that without Hitler, the Nazis are probably going to fall apart, never becoming anything more than a fringe movement. While the Weimar Republic is probably going to shift to the right, it's more likely to be conservative--or even monarchist--in nature, instead of fascist--and if it does go fascist, it won't be the Nazi's rather strange brand of it.

say what you will about the fat man, Goering had a more level head on his shoulders than Hitler. he was even a bit more moderate. maybe Goering gets into the Reichstag and wins the presidency?
 
The problem with this Goering talk is that he probably cannot rise to political prominence except on someone else's coattails.
 

For one thing, Mussolini had been a writer; he had been a man of the Left moved rightward by war. He was a soldier and the arrogance which was ultimately his undoing is what propelled him to the top in what was for all intents and purposes a bloodless coup.
 
Please adress the issue.

Adolf Hitler is Killed in Action in the first WWI, NAZI Germany never rises to power but still develops a great industry and economy. Circa 1940:
-Stalin starts expansion of Communism through occupation of Eastern Europe and Asia and aims for Germany, United Kingdom and France declare war on USSR.
-Benito Mussolini starts his war of occupation of Balkan States, United Kingdom and France declare war on Italy.
-Japan starts its pacific occupation, and attacks pearl harbor, U.S.A. declares war on Japan, but remains neutral to wars in Europe.

Please note that there are no alliances between USSR, Italy or Japan.

What I want to know is the outcome of those 3 separate wars, not the probabilities of the wars starting.
 
What if someone else we don't know who is smarter and worse then Hitler take is place?
Italy will lose pretty badly.
 
What I want to know is the outcome of those 3 separate wars, not the probabilities of the wars starting.

The problem is the timing, it's all happenning at the same times? because if so Benny will probably join in the alliance against Stalin and even if that not happen the other nation will be not so swift to fight the two nation at the same time (expecially if Benny and Joseph are not ally), if Italy states that her objective are limited to Yugoslavia and hint privately to leave Greece alone and to oppose soviet advance in the balkans is probable that after a phoney-war like period an understament between the power will be found.
Mussolini was an opportunist not prone to make blatant suicide move, and fight France and UK at the same time it's one, if he try the King and it's own gabinet will take him down, in OTL he done that only because the game seemed over and even in that case with a lot of internal opposition
 
Germany would probably continue as the Wiemar Republic and gradually move beyond the aftershocks of WW1. It seems plausible that Stalin might want to expand into Eastern Europe. The only thing that I have issue with in all of this is why Mussolini would try to invade the Balkan States. I think he might have placed more focus on colonialism in Africa against Eithiopia, perhaps even joining an alliance against Stalin in an attempt to gain whatever spoils of war there might be from the aftermath of such a conflict.

Mussie would jump on the Balkans like the Klumps on a box of doughnuts. It was always his desire to seize the region, particularly Dalmatia, if given half an opportunity. Only French allegience with Yugoslavia prevented Italian invasion there pre-WW2. If he ever gets the opportunity to do so without bringing France and/or England down on him he'll invade the Balkans...Yugoslavia as the highest priority. That said, if there's no Nazis to divert the attentions of the West he'll have to sit and play nice and concentrate on African colonization.

If Stalin goes on a rampage (I'm less than certain he would...he was always an opportunist looking for conquest on the cheap--a lot like Mussie in that regard) then Mussie will be the first one on deck to fight against him.
 
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