Adolf Hitler / Austria's Struggle (Österreichs Kampf)

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  1. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Small typo there, meant after 1918 not 1938, so he will rise in Austria, but still have close ties with the Bavarian NSDAP as a like-minded and ideological close brother party. This means no one will rebuild and strenghten the German Nazi Party after 1925 like OTL, leaving them much weaker and more influential from a German-Austria were their ideology already had risen to power. This means for a much longer time the German National People's Party will be the srong right wing in Weimar and Hitlers main rival in Austria for Votes and public support will be Engelbert Dollfuss and his Fatherland Front (Vaterländische Front) together with the Heimwehr (Home Guard) against Hitlers German-Austrian DNSAP (Deutsch Nationalsozialistische Arbeiter Partei/ German National Socialist Workers Party) and SA.

    Thanks for the nice wishes there. :D
     
  2. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    True but after 1918 with the rise of more nationalism, communism and fascism there would be no place for any Durchwurschteln anymore, since force alone didn't work (see Hungary and other national uprisings and revolts) and a United States of Austria (nothing less could have worked for much longer in my opinion) wasn't in the minds of the Elite in Vienna.

    That is why TTL Hitlers National-Socialism (Austrofascism) will be Multinational by nature, nothing less will work in a recreated Austria-Hungary, while German and Hungarian culture and ethnics will play a major role inside the state and heavily influense the other minorities to create a more unified "nation" state of sorts. It will get messy it will be chaos, so everything German Nazis were OTL too.
     
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  3. Threadmarks: 1.2 Chapter - In my Parents' House - A small Ringleader

    CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    The lot of a Austrian customs officer often meant to travel around. A short time after moving to Germany, my Father came to Linz and got his pension there. This clearly did not mean quiet and peaceful times for the old man. As the son of a poor, small cottager there had been nothing holding him at home. With nearly thirteen years he crafted satchel and left his home, the Waldviertel. Even with the warning of older and wiser people at his small town, he traveled to Vienna to learn his own craftsmanship. This all had happened in the fifty's of the last century. It was a hard decision to travel the long road with only three Gulden to buy food heading for a uncertain future. But once he turned seventeen, he had managed his journeyman's examination, but wasn't anymore happier, quiet the contrary. The long time of pinch he was in hardened his decision to end his craft and search for a higher position in life. Once the priest had been the highest office to aim for in the mind of any young man, but now that the point of view had increased with the enormous big cities nearby, he aimed for the noble job as a state office. With all his toughness earned in the hard times, that make him age despite still being a young man, the seventeen year old focused on his new decision and became a official. After twenty-three years I believe he managed it. Now finally his oat was fulfilled, to not return to his small village after he had become someone. Now, with this goal archived he soon realized that nobody remembered him back in his small town and his place of origin itself had become foreign to him.

    When he finally with fifty-six years of age started his retirement, he tried to accept his daily struggle to relax and do nothing. Buying a property near the Upper Austrian Marked place of Lambach, he cultivated it and returned to his fathers origin after a long life full of work. During this time I started to build my first ideals in my young mind. The playful games in the wild nature, the long way to school and the contact with though boys that often scared my mother started to form me into anything but a stay-at-home. Back at this time I had no direct thought about my possible future and what kind of job I would one day chose for myself, but even back then I realized that I had no sympathy for the career path my father had chosen before me. I believe even back then my talent as a great speaker started to grow in the form or sometimes more, sometimes less important arguments with my comrades. I had started to become a small ringleader who managed to learn easy and good during his time at school, but otherwise I wasn't easy to handle.

    Because I got singing lessons in my free time at Lambach, I had the opportunity quiet often to be a part of the many church feasts. Just like my father before me admired the Priest in his town, I started to look up to the Abbot as my ideal. At least for a little time. But as the Abbot did not manage to use his talent as a speaker on a boy who was out for trouble, to get good conclusions for his future out of this circumstances, that changed. With great worries I watched this natural discrepancy to learn from it.​
     
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  4. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    How will Weimar be affected by Hitler being an Austrian leader?
     
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    And what about a relationship with German WW2 allies that is Bulgaria Croatia and Romania?
     
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  7. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Clearly without him in Weimar the Democracy there will be stronger, but Hitler will try to use the NSDAP and DNVP there to get a like minded party to power (to secure this flank and as a powerfull ally for his own ambitions). Same with Benito who he admires and who will be the bigger of the two dictators for a longer time TTL after Hitler took power. They will have quit some arguing over South Tirol, Trieste and some other points for sure. ;D

    As this is a Hitler recreats the Austrian-("Hungarian") Empire, the aim for Croatia is to be annexation. And while Bulgaria was a ally WW1, it and Romania will have to become puppets in Hitler's sphere of influence TTL or be quickly dealt with and outright annexed to prevent them from working as beachheads for the Entente in the Balcan Peninsula. At least that will he his plans TTL.

    As a note, since TTL is written out of Hitlers point of view in a propagandistic book, not all things will be quiet as accurate or right in regards of what truely happened TTL. But there will be slight hints in between the lines.
     
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  8. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Maybe we could have the KPD be more influencial in Germany as well? Also, maybe the Strasser brothers could be the ideological core of TTL's NSDAP?
     
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  9. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Yes, with a much weaker NSDAP, the Communists will have a better position TTL against the NSDAP and the DNVP in Weimar, leading to a somewhat more stable and stronger democratic republic, that will still be under too heavy pressure from both sides of the political spectrum for it to realy work properly.
     
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  10. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    What about my idea of a Strasserite NSDAP?
     
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  11. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    A Strasserite NSDAP will be very close to OTL NSDAP in some ways, but totally different in others, since Gregor's idea for the Party and Movement were quit different from Hitlers and without Hitlers direct influence things will likely change. No German Party (NSDAP, DNVP or KPD) will be the danger that OTL NSDAP was with Hitler for Weimar TTL around. Hitler and his party at the same time will be much stronger inspired by Benito Mussolini, Engelbert Dollfuss and Miklós Horthy as his direct ideological neighbors and idols.
     
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  12. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    A the age old time-travel dilemma. Clearly little Hitler hasn't done anything yet. Then again killing him in 1938 before things turn really evil might actually be to late too...
     
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  13. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    This is a fascinating TL. Consider it watched!
     
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  14. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    And the fact that it's written from Hitlers point of view doesn't even spoil anything, he could be Emperor of a Austrian dominated Europe by the time he writes tha last chapter, or sitting in a Vienna bunker, hiding from Soviet Forces ... ^^
     
  15. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    Having it written from Hitler’s point of view was what really drew me in. ^^
     
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  16. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    It's quiet hard to thing inside this box for me as a Jew but also challenging and interesting. But something like this has already be done on this side from Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Napoleons or even Kim's perspective I would assume?!
     
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  17. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    As far as I know, no.
     
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  18. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Well maybe playing Pen and Paper RPG drives people to do crazier things :p XD
     
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    I like this idea very much, and I will be watching this.

    Will we see Croatia brought back in fold, Triune Kingdom restored to borders it had in AH, with all the Croatian lands unified, or are we going to see something along the lines of WW2 "Greater Croatia", with Bosnia and Herzegovina? I am rather sure that the Croatian people of the time really would prefer Germans back, especially after what they have been through with Serbs in Yugoslavia, and even a veneer of self rule, with perhaps somewhat expanded borders would be enough for them to join back up with minimal fuss. Also, we must take into the account the large numbers of former AH military officers, such as Slavko Kvaternik or Emil Uzelac, through which contact could be established, and paramilitary formations formed. These people still had a lot of influence, as did the nobility, and if you dangle in front of them both the unification of Croatian lands, as well as restoration of the old Royal Croatian Homeguard, with them in it, we could see some interesting things happen.

    Putting aside my ramblings, and my personal wishes, I really am interested in seeing how this Restored Austrian Empire is going to work. Maybe bring back Otto, for he does have legitimate claim, in some circles at least.

    Lastly, I know it is somewhat off topic and probably will have very little direct influence on the story as such, but what are you going to do in regards to weapons, particularly personal firearms? Both Austria and Hungary used IOTL 8x56R cartridge, in essence a modified/modernized 8x50R cartridge, which enabled them to keep their older weapons of WW1 vintage in service, with minimal modifications. Other nations that used to be part of AH generally use 8 mm Mauser as standard, such as Chechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, so what is to be done about it. Greatest problem with 8x56R is that it is rimmed, making it somewhat problematic to use in automatic firearms, and considering the lessons of WW1, portable LMGs are a must, with CS zb.26 filling that need rather nicely. It is not that they could not make it work with rimmed cartridge, British Bren is the proof of that, but it is complicated and long process, and magazines do become rather curved to accomodate the ammunition.

    Sorry for going off topic this far, but I am rather excited to see where are you going to take this, and I can barely wait for more.
     
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  20. CountofDooku Emperor of Amra

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    Thank you very much. :D

    Wel I thing something more like OTL WW2 Croatia most likely. Also no return of Otto to power TTL (just like Wilhelm II did not return OTL), since Hitler and his movment will try to rule themselves. They will also rearrange the administration like OTL as we will see in maps TTL.

    As for weapons, at the beginning they will us what they have and use or grab whatever is at hand fist (just like OTL Nazis used Czech an even French captured tank etc.) but there will be forces for a greater standartisation/ unification in the Army later on. ;D
     
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