Adam's first wife Lillith is not cut out of the Bible

Orry

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Dude... I've just read this thread completely...

Hell... I had never thought there could be such trolling like this guy who kept saying "I'm right, you're wrong and I've got the orignial bible dating from 3.000 BC!"

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Do the Bible even dates from 3,000 BC? Or at least, Texts that served as a "Proto-Bible"?

Written texts no.

There are arguments for the age of the verbal traditions that back date it.
 
I recently read a Whitley Streiber book that has Lilith as a vampire. I think there's something in that for all of us, buggered if I know what though.

And yes, there's a stack of threads where people just argue the point despite what others may know about the subject.
 
LOL!!!!!! true this guy may have been a troll but he has evidence to back his claim, now I read the whole thread and it was interesting however he makes some good points, he has actually shown us proof all you guys have been doing is shooting him down, also What he was trying to do I think was wondering what would happen had Lillit remained in the texts and how different our world would be. We all know anything with Bible or relegious stuff like that goes in ASB but he's changing an important text, not nessarily beleiving the bible, just what the consequences of keeping such an event in the bible would affect our society. It sounds like an POD, have the theologins for some reason keep that text and see how it plays out in our world. We are not talking about events in Bible occuring In real life just what happens if a section of the bible was changed. so give this guy a chance, Oh and Curious when you post make sure you get your point out clearly, Make sure you don talk about genocide and all conspiracy theories, so you have made a big mistake and I agree that you have hurt many peoples feelings, that is unacceptable if you have a point explain in a civilized manner that does not target one's religion in a hurtful way..... So guys this guy may be a big troll but he has made some fine points and had he not screwed up we could see a different POd where woman are priests and etc, no it would be an interesting Pod because it would create a completly new OTL.....
 
Dude... I've just read this thread completely...

Hell... I had never thought there could be such trolling like this guy who kept saying "I'm right, you're wrong and I've got the original bible dating from 3.000 BC!"
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Do the Bible even dates from 3,000 BC? Or at least, Texts that served as a "Proto-Bible"?

Same for me, Chengar. If you check the date and time of my post, I had only discovered and read this thread last night/early this morning. For the record, when I posted my reply to said Troll I was not yet aware that she/he had already been banned. Done correctly and posted in the ASB section where it belongs, the topic this OP raised is IMHO a rather interesting one (to me at least).

Hero of Canton
 
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Wow. I think that was the most fun that i have ever had on this site.

That was a fun read.

Any more threads like this???

Check out Eleven11's "Little boy doesn't detonate over Hiroshima" thread. Come for the insane nuclear weapons conspiracy! Stay for the virulent antisemitism!
 
LOL!!!!!! true this guy may have been a troll but he has evidence to back his claim..... So guys this guy may be a big troll but he has made some fine points and had he not screwed up we could see a different POd where woman are priests and etc, no it would be an interesting Pod because it would create a completly new OTL.....

Most conspiracy nuts can give "proof".
 

Leo Caesius

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The oldest recorded reference to Lilith being Adam's first wife is, IIRC, is in the Alphabet of Sirach. That text was written in the 8th-10th Century AD. Awfully late origin for something that was supposedly cut out of the Bible.

I am aware of some other Jewish writings (from the 5th Century AD?) that mention a predecessor to Eve, but it is not Lilith.

Actually, the first mention that a person or entity called Lillith was the first wife of Adam dates from the Medieval period (8th-10th Century A.D.). It was an invention of Jewish rabbinic scholars who were trying to make sense of the rather confusing Genesis creation account which you cited in your argument. Earlier Jewish scholars (writing in the 1st centuries of the Christian Era) had speculated, as you do above, that the Genesis account indicates that two women were created and that Adam had two wives. But they didn't give the name of the supposed first wife. The identification of Lilith as the first wife of Adam did not come until the The Alphabet of Ben Sira (not actually written by Ben Sira, who was a Talmudic sage living in Alexandria around 180 BC, while the Alphabet dates to the 8th-10th centuries A.D.).

While I'm not going to dignify curious' original post, I'm curious as to why you guys are citing the Alphabet of Ben Sira. The first literary reference to Lilith (as Adam's wife) is in Tractate Erubin of the Bavli, as far as I know. At least one of the references there which tie her to Adam is related on the authority of R. Jeremiah b. Eleazer (second half of the 3rd century CE). The late antique Babylonian incantation bowls also attest to a fully-developed Lilith mythology, complete with the association with Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, who later appear in the Alpha Beta.
 
Astonished!!

Just read parts of this thread and understood why its originator was Banned. However, going for a matrilineal goddess-worshipping culture (as per the Minoans and possibly the Achaeans) does not even need to involve the Bible, in whatever form it is expressed.

BTW, just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Does it really matter, anyway?:D
 

Philip

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While I'm not going to dignify curious' original post, I'm curious as to why you guys are citing the Alphabet of Ben Sira. The first literary reference to Lilith (as Adam's wife) is in Tractate Erubin of the Bavli, as far as I know.

As Adam's first wife? Can you provide the relevant text?
 
Yeah I would love to see an archive of such train wreck threads, a sorta what not to do on the Alternate History Discussion Board.
 
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